Quote from: 2112 on June 22, 2013, 10:20:14 PM

Quote from: eldentyrell on June 22, 2013, 09:22:48 PM

Also, last I heard they were not planning on selling any chips or any products including their chips, which would mean there will never be independent verification. Maybe the situation has changed; I don't follow the business end of this stuff too closely. Anyways, if that's still the case I'd be uneasy about including those numbers they could be fudged quite a bit at zero risk of getting caught.

I fully understand that you don't want to consider the pre-tape-out numbers for the inclusion in your table.

What I don't want to include is numbers that will never be independently verified, ever.

Quote from: 2112 on June 22, 2013, 10:20:14 PM

But fudging isn't zero-risk for those who ship their hardware to the end-users.

Yes, that's the idea.

I thought ASICMINER's plan was to never sell any chips to any third parties and sell stock instead. Has this changed?

Quote from: 2112 on June 22, 2013, 10:20:14 PM

Check out this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=231400.0

Oh, neat. I wasn't expecting anybody to actually have a proper die photo setup. Way cool.