Quote from: abudfv2008 on December 04, 2017, 07:54:12 AM

Quote from: bensam1231 on December 04, 2017, 04:26:05 AM

1) I'm not going over your convoluted numbers (like right off the bat I see you multiplying profits months ago as if you held?!? when you've been saying exactly the opposite that for your entire argument), but I can 100% guarantee that you didn't make 3x ROI in five months.

2) Some of those coins were good for a little bit, that only lasted a couple days though, as I've mentioned. When I talk about 56% growth, that's over the entire month. Not one day of good profits.

3) I don't use Nicehash. I said $2.5 a day because that's about the average per public (not super niche coins) that you can earn for a 1070 over the last month. That takes into account coin price fluctuations. Also not sure why you weed out ZEC/XMR/Ethereum, matter of a fact Cryptonight is one of the top earning algos right now as far as GPU mining goes. You really have no idea what you're talking about.

4) Memory types only really matters for mining Ethereum and even then if you adjust timings on cards it doesn't matter much. Not even sure why you're talking about the price of a 1060 and how it relates to the argument.

5) You were originally talking about resale value of your cards and how they're worth money. You once again have no idea what you're talking about and just randomly throw out parts of your argument after it's been disproven. The whole reason I'm talking about it is because you mentioned your amazing appreciation of your GPUs. XD

6) And you just stepped into the realm of extreme prospecting. That's even more volatile and more luck based then playing markets with low volume amounts. You try to make a argument for consistentcy while mining and then go talking about mining coins that have absolutely no value. For every coin that you've been able to mine before they even come out there are dozens upon dozens that are absolute garbage and have went absolutely no where.

1) The more I talk to you - the more doubts in your mental abilities. If you can't understand that 2.35BTC NOW left as BTC cost right NOW 30K$ than I don't know what will help you. For the moment in past when it was 5months ~2BTC in total were already cashed out at much cheaper prices. So for THAT moment in past it was ~35K$ (cashed out+remaining coins) made in 5months. Today it is close to 6month and it is much more - thanks to XSH and XZC.

2) What "couple" of days are you talking about? BTX was 400+Ksat for couple of weeks and even now it cost 250Ksat while in june-september it was ~50K. And it was one of the most profitable coins to mine all of that time. 25% airdrop and 3% each week also added a lot of value - actually I've mined only about a half of total coins. XSH still cost 70sat with maximum of 120sat. While even at 1 sat price it was profitable to mine.

3) Once again. If you don't have a clue how to make 35K(+10K) from 10K in 5 months than it's better to shut your mouth and learn

. Yes, only niche coins can make you x10-x100 profit. You won't be able to make it with eth/zec/xmr etc top coins nowadays. For last month - average profit for not niche coins - was 3-4$ per 1070. Thats your lack of knowledge that leads you to 2.5$. So - mine zec and be happy. Grin

And yes - all that is only when we are talking about $$$-$$$$ for 1coin. In bigger numbers field it is impossible as the total market is too small.

4) At least 3 algos heavily depend on memory type. Ethash/neoscrypt/cryptonight. 1060/6G can make 920H/s being the most profitable for dozen of neoscrypt vivoclone shitcoins that appeared in the last 3months. Right now it makes 6$/day on one of that coins. And right now even 14$ with VIVO (but of course it won't last long)

5) What are you talking about? I've sold 1 farm for more money that I payed for it 5.5months ago. And invested them in Vega. ETN mining for several days makes 8-10$ if I simply dump coins imediately after mine.

6) Of cause there are a lot of garbage or simply unsuccessful coins (e.g. XVG). Yes - in many aspects crypto is a lottery but it is not only matter of luck but also research, calculations, analyzing etc. All that increases my chances. On that road there are a lot of faults - I could have made much more if for instance I would have sold all remaining SIGT at 1000sat. Or if I sell BTX an 600+Ksat etc.
But again you don't understand simple thing. Investment in GPU(mining) is like getting XXX lottery tickets instead of ONE. It simply increase your chances.

1. You are advocating NOT playing markets and then you talk about playing them. Furthermore we aren't talking about earnings 12 months ago or whatever timeline you're pulling out of your ass. We are talking about buying video cards in the last couple months, specifically the last one. You CAN'T just randomly make shit up. We aren't talking about investments months ago. That's completely different. Investments months ago are completely different from investment advice now. They're absolutely two different things.

2. It wasn't. You have no idea what you're talking about, for instance this last month http://yiimp.eu/stats Easily disproven. No it wasn't the most profitable coin to mine. It occasionally was, but not all of the time. That's neat you like PoS.

3. 100x profit? You must seriously have one GPU. There are no coins that are earning that which can support more then a handful of rigs (and of which are completely destroyed by someone with a lot of rigs hoping on for half a day ruining the profit before they figure out how much influence their hash has on the network. It's hilarious you're trying to lecture me when you can't even add up your earnings properly.

You really should look into Eterenium and other Cryptonote coins. You should also look at a RX Vega Cryptonight numbers. You seriously have no idea what you're talking about. And no you weren't making that for the last month. I said '$2.5' because that's what we're earning without niche coins. Why do you think other people are questioning your earnings? Because that's not what we're making unless you have some magical hardware. You're literally pulling numbers out of your ass once again.

You're also backpedaling on the whole 'XMR isn't worth mining even', remember when you talked about how much you could resell your cards for in five years? Yeah you're a dumbass.

4. You're misconstruing talking about brand of memory with GDDR5 vs GDDR5X that wasn't your original argument nor is it something I'm unfamiliar with. Matter of a fact if you've been around here for awhile (which you haven't) I've mentioned numerous times why it's a bad idea to buy a 1080ti over a 1070 (now a 1070ti) in this thread due to limitations of GDDR5X. It's great how you continually just make shit up like you can't just scroll back a page and look at what you just typed.

Yeah Neoscrypt is 'brand new' and hasn't been around forever. Profits for those particular coins has only risen in the last month or so and no, you are 100%, unequivocally not making $7 per 1070. Once again your numbers are absolutely, completely, 100% wrong. You're taking the highest number from a YIIMP pool and multiplying that by the hashrate. You ARE NOT taking into account Nicehash and multipools are pinging back and forth on those currencies that drop down the earnings. This can be easily confirmed by looking at your earnings which you haven't even taken time to do. For instance at some points INNOVA was showing about $5 a day at certain points, but earnings for the last 24 hours was about $1.75 for the cards I had on it. Hell even whattomine isn't showing these numbers you're pulling out of your ass. You can easily go there, type in the numbers you're talking about and see you're wrong.

'It wont last long' IT NEVER HAPPENED IN THE FIRST PLACE! Jesus, this is basic stuff, look at your actual earnings. Waiting for you to quote the numbers you're seeing right now while Nicehash is offline as how much you've been earning this whole month.

5. Yup, you're talking about flipping hardware again. That doesn't happen dude. It was weird because we were in a mining bubble and prices were heavily inflated. You know what you can also do? You can buy coins, look for them to inflate in price and then sell them what they do increase in value. Both are investment. You know what the difference is though? One rarely happens and requires you to sit on a used asset that isn't very easily liquidated and the other you can sell whenever you feel like it.

You know what's fun about this. Lets say you bought bitcoin 10 months ago instead of your GPUs. You sold your GPUs 5.5 months ago (because that's when it peaked?). BTC was worth 1013 10 months ago. Today it's worth 13.5k. So even though you doubled the amount you made purely on buying and selling GPUs (which you didn't because you weren't getting those heavily inflated numbers just like you aren't making $14 a day mining Neoscrypt), you would've made roughly 13.5x~ more investing in BTC.

lol... there aren't any pieces of hardware that ROI 13.5x over in the last year even with your stupidly inflated numbers that don't remotely compute. Mine you can actually look at by going to BTCwisdom or any other site that tracks the price of BTC.

6. That's neat. I'm not even sure what kind of a point you're trying to make here. You're either talking about investing in cryptos or mining hardware. You end up investing in cryptos as your prices are heavily tied to BTC. Why do you think you're making '$34 a day' mining Neoscrypt? Yes, it's because BTC is at 13.5k.

You're once again talking about playing markets. You could just buy the coins instead of mine them. Your assets are then liquidable and you can do what you're currently doing better. That wasn't remotely the point you were trying to make and proves my own argument, that it's currently more lucrative buying and holding BTC then investing in new mining hardware.

I'm done with this argument. You lie by making numbers up any experienced miner can easily disprove as 'proof', you don't even try to stick to your original arguments, you change the side you're talking about, and you strawman.