Quote from: coblee on June 27, 2013, 04:32:32 PM

Quote from: bushstar on June 27, 2013, 10:17:46 AM

CAlerts are now three years old and come from a Bitcoin that was much less stable than it is now. I see the ability to send and display long custom strings to the user as a security threat. This old CAlert system was over looked and I apologise for that. Going forward we will have a much less intrusive way of informing users of an updated client. The idea is that a client will connect to a JSON feed to see if there is a higher number, if it is it will the user to upgrade and if it is not or it cannot find the site it will remain quiet. There will be no ability to display custom strings.

Bushstar, why do you think that a centralized solution is better than using the dencentralized message system that is part of Bitcoin already? Having a centralized server for checking for upgrades is bad due to possible ddos and having the server hacked. The alert system works well and is really the only way for me to contact old clients. Some Litecoin users are running 0.5 and aren't on the forums. So there's really no other way for them to be notified of a critical update otherwise. By disabling the alert system without a replacement in place, you are shooting yourself in the foot if in the future you want to contact these clients of a critical security flaw.

It's true that there is a threat of the alert key being leaked and anyone can then send messages to all the clients. But if you look at the code, you will see that satoshi has thought of this already like everything else he's done. You can send a max priority alert that's hardcoded to tell everyone that the alert key has been compromised and that everyone should upgrade. And this alert will override any other alerts.

Your then assuming that bushstar is a zombie who can sit and stare at the client 24/7 to watch if someone has grabbed the alert key and are spamming the users with false information (update your client to this or this and so on).
If someone where able to get the key while he was sleeping, alot of damage could have been done within 8hours beauty sleep. Many may have updated to an walletstealing client and so on...

As of now the only thing bushstar has done is to remove that pesky autospam message which pops up ALL THE TIME. update now, NO, now?, NO, how about now?, NOOOO! ffs

As per now he has only mentioned a centralized server for checking upgrades, he hasnt implemented it. Its called analyzing, and getting feedbacks the community for smart solution. Its this way you get progress.

Quote from: Buffer Overflow on June 27, 2013, 07:00:36 AM

Overall looking at this thread it doesn't look like Feathercoin is all that popular.

But I think it has one hope.

Once the difficulty starts getting too high at camp Litecoin, I think you'll get a surge of miners pointing their gear at Feathercoin.

If you know anything about market research and such, you would know that for every negative person going at ftc theres 10 that are opposit. Same as if it was supposed to be a hardware product, its allways the negative feedback that fills the web.
The ones that are satisfied are just that. satisfied. Just have a look into the ftc forum. You'll have a hard time finding a more dedicated and welcoming society.

Theres just to much trolling going on on the forums/chats to bother with trying to defend it. Better to focus on providing better service/cryptocoin/widere market range. And let the people decide for themself, if they want to back this coin up,
those that are just here to ditch/destroy i have very little respect for.

Quote from: mubit on June 27, 2013, 09:21:23 AM

Quote from: smoothie on June 27, 2013, 05:25:01 AM

I'm not one for pumping of anything but for the most part I disagree with your implications about feathercoin being shameless and pumping. Taking pride in one's work is not a bad thing in my view.

To say that something should or shouldn't be done in terms of marketing an idea (bitcoin, litecoin, feathercoin) is a matter of opinion not a matter of morals and how right or wrong it is.

Let's keep in mind this is the free market. People can choose to do and say as they want. Warren although I disagree with your implications about feathercoin I respect your view as we are all part of the free market.

Let's keep things in perspective when it comes to what is "improper" or "right" or "wrong".

One more thing, your bolded statement is your opinion on how things should be. Not how everyone believes it should be. Once again, a matter of opinion.

Taking pride in one's work is one thing but this is money. You are asking people to trust that the devs have things under control. To invest in the feathercoin network, by mining or holding/trading coins. It is clear the devs just copied the ltc code and grepped for a few strings. The developer clearly doesn't know what he is doing, and that should worry anyone involved.

This isn't something people should trust with their money. This is a marketing ploy. "Upgrade your feathercoin client to litecoin."

He unknowingly copied the alert key, and his solution was disabling alerts in 0.6.4.2? With active clients without alerts you make it impossible to reliably alert the network in the future.

The message has been on most alt coins, so bushstar is not the onlyone overlooking it, he however is one of the few who within an hour or so of complaining on the forum. temporarly fixed it.
Feathercoin is still in its early states, and yes the code still is pretty similar ltc except the blockrate and some small other features. But have you looked at the planning going on at feathercoin.com forum???
There will be many client updates as the coin matures into something better, its called active development and is an important part of optimilising a product to improve it even better.
The devs thats says that this software is perfect, lets leave it at that is not a very good programmer...

Also regarding beeing able to alert the community about updates and such i do not see a big problem with this, i guess 90% of feathercoin enthusiast are closely monitoring the forum. and the other 10% will be notified in an other way
i have great faith in justabitoftime in this department. What other coin has had such and dedicated PR manager, feathercoin has gotten more publicity in this short time then ltc. Just look at all the radio apperents, ePaper readings and such.
Also the ftc pools have done a great job being on top when important ftc information/51% attack protection has been present.

As for those people complaining about premine, stop the whining. So some lucky bastard mined many coins worth 0^0, its a gamble, this time they struck gold, isnt that the reason we call it mining?.
The coin was not premined, and this has been proven. May the difficulty have been to low? i will say yes, should there been an pre information before launch, yes.
Was the coin profitable to mine several weeks after launch, hell yes. so why bitch, just because you made a bad gamle decision and kept mining some other coin with stable payout, instead of mining something worth zero,
but might one day be worth WAY more.
I however do wish that ftc would have had an better start, but past is the past, time to look ahead. And so far ahead looks really promising.

Im not sure what type of hw bushstar has, but if you look at justabitoftime he has embarracing little (sorry mate Grin

), i for one would have really liked if them both had 1mill ftc coin in their wallet, what better motivation to make the coin
reach as high potential as possible?

Sorry for bad english btw...=P
Coblee, also thread carefully, its kinda disrespectfull to ditch other coins and start naging about other devs desition,after they made it... Constructive critisism while developing, great. Beeing a bitch about it after is not that great.
A good programmer is the one that doesnt know it all but are constantly learning,and willing to listen. The one that knows best, he's the dangerouse/unstable one...

im however impressed by the dedication from people trying to ditch the coin in an UPDATE/INFORMATION thread, we ftc supporters must be doing something right to piss of this many people... and YAY i got red text to, did it help?