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It's difficult to discuss with people that don't have scientific background...

I agree. When someone has an ideology or a religion to defend, rationality stops

Absolutely good points. When people believe in science theory, especially theory that can't defend itself in the face of stringent analysis - like evolution theory - they have a religion going for themselves. The religion of evolution.

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''Believe in science theory'' Why do you need to believe in it? You can study it and see it for yourself that is real unlike religion, no matter how much you study it you will never find evidence for the existence of gods.

And then all you have to do is look at some good science theory that is contradicted by other good science theory, to see that science theory is an unknown.

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I have yet to see another scientific theory that contradicts evolution but if you know one tell us, enlighten us please.

First, the point was that science theory is not known to be factual, because there can almost always be theory that contradicts it. So, evolution theory is not known to be factual, either.

Regarding evolution theory, we don't need theory to contradict it to show that it is false. Reality contradicts it in the way that every so-called fact of evolution can have some other, more realistic explanation than evolution. Besides this, there are the things of nature that show that evolution is impossible.

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Nothing is known to be factual 100% I don't really see your point here. Things in nature like what? I'm still waiting for the examples of spontaneous generation of complex life as you claim god did.

So, we might have a few trees that have been alive for hundreds of years. Why are you waiting for examples of the spontaneous making of complex life that God did? That was 6,000 years ago. If you think any of them are still alive, go out and find them, and the proof that the ones you find are really the ones.

I don't see your point here. You continually ask for things that I have shown many times. All you need to do is Google some wording regarding the impossibility of evolution to find many answers to your question. And if you read the supposed rebuttals to the impossibility, you will see that they don't make sense, or that they circular thinking, or that they are based on other things that aren't known to be factual.

It's kinda like that other thread, where you ask for the definition of machine. Do you really live in a country where they don't have any dictionaries? Is your Internet so limited that you can't really Google anything? I don't think you are in a funny farm like those guys in that other thread. But I am beginning to question my own thinking on that point.

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Ok ''an apparatus consisting of interrelated parts with separate functions, used in the performance of some kind of work:'' Therefore the universe is not a machine so it doesn't need a maker, thanks for clarifying that you are wrong then.