Quote from: Vod on December 12, 2017, 05:42:02 PM

Quote from: BADecker on December 12, 2017, 05:36:37 PM

C&E has been proven all over the whole earth in millions or billions of happenings. True spontaneity has never been proven anywhere, even one time.

So this whole "free will" your god gives us means nothing since we are slaves to the cause?

Quite the contrary.

in the same way that we don't understand the way that our free will is not free because of cause and effect, even so we do not understand how God can allow us free will when we understand how everything is programmed by C&E.

The point is, We DO have free will, but our free will exists in a completely different way than we understand it.

Your use of your free will to respond to my posts like you do, is "expressed" like it is, through God having programmed it into the universe through C&E, right from the beginning.

Cool