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ugh where to start here. Abiogenesis or informally the origin of life,[8][9][10] is the natural process by which life arises from non-living matter, such as simple organic compounds. This has nothing to do with your claims that god created us. What you are claiming is that complex life (humans) were created spontaneously, that's what the bible says, right? God created animals and humans instantly.

Quite the opposite. Everyone knows that life that reproduces, does so according to the laws of reproduction, complex as they are. The question is, are the mutations responsible for the so-called evolutionary changes spontaneous? or programmed in via cause and effect?

Why would anyone think that God created anything spontaneously? When people get together and make something as complex as a modern automobile, they don't do it spontaneously, even in their thinking. They do it through tremendous amounts of thoughtful design.

Why would anyone think that God just spontaneously "blooped" the universe together in all its great complexity? But He might have, because He is extremely different than we are in a multitude of ways. We just don't know how God what He did. But if you suggest that what He did is like what we do, then nothing that exists was spontaneously made. This means that there is no evolution.

Quote from: Astargath on December 12, 2017, 05:09:58 PM

''None of them simply jumped into life spontaneously. All of them became alive through complex cause and effect actions in nature'' What? I thought god created them all in 1 day.

You seem to be limiting the abilities of God rather than showing spontaneity.

Quote from: Astargath on December 12, 2017, 05:09:58 PM

''I totally agree with you that there isn't any spontaneous generation of life... no evolution'' So you agree god doesn't exist? Since when is evolution the spontaneous generation of life? Evolution is change in the heritable characteristics of biological populations over successive generations.[1][2] Evolutionary processes give rise to biodiversity at every level of biological organisation, including the levels of species, individual organisms, and molecules.[3]

Seems like you are the one without google or a dictionary.

I just showed you in my previous two posts here and above in this post, that we don't really know how God created the universe. But the result is cause and effect, no spontaneity. Evolution is spontaneity, regarding the mutations. There isn't any spontaneity, not even in the mutations.

It is like the random choices that people make. They aren't really random. It's just that people don't understand all the cause and effect that go into their thinking, so they suggest random thinking. Spontaneity doesn't really exist, either. There isn't any thing that happens spontaneously. It's all programmed by C&E. We think that some things happen spontaneously, because we are too week to follow the programming.

C&E has been proven all over the whole earth in millions or billions of happenings. True spontaneity has never been proven anywhere, even one time.

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So what's the point of hell and heaven or sin if every choice I make is already programmed it means it's not my fault, thanks for debunking your own religion. I rest my case your honor.

The more detailed answer to VOD is the answer to your question. God examines the way you use your free will to be on His side or against Him. Then He goes back to the Beginning and "jiggles" C&E to match His ideals and your free will.

None of us has the ability to begin to comprehend the great power of God. God controls it all with complete control. But He allows you a touch of control in your free will, even though He is the one that carries out the free-will doing of the things that you will freely.

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Your God is powerless, hiding in the gaps. For such an all powerful creator, there isn't a shred of evidence for his existence, doesn't seem very great to me.

And you are one of the gaps. But He isn't hiding. He is simply gentle with you. It would be easy for Him to crush you and your free will. But He wants "partners" rather than robots.

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