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Was sure I heard of this before, then I see it. ''Venus project'' unfortunately it assumes that man is not inherently greedy by its nature, that man is not selfish. It's a cool theory, but I think thats what it will always be, a theory. Also some places are just naturally more abundant than others. Take Japan they basically got nothing and have to import everything. It's like the idea of unconditional giving/sharing, works only if you assume it goes both ways. But likely someone will take advantage of another before we see peace on earth.

People naturally compare themselves to others, their productivity and welfare. This theory doesn't account for any of the psychological factors which capitalism actually does. It recognizes that we are competative and tries to leverage that to get the most out of humans. I don't necessarily agree with capitalism but I also don't necessarily agree with communism. All these theories are great on paper, capitalism, communism, resource based economy. But practically they seldom work out well because being human is more complex than economics and ideology.

Japan certainly has many good things to offer, like any other country. Everybody has at least something that someone needs.

Sure, they're tech savvy but its one of the reasons I pointed out. Looks great on paper, works horribly when practiced out. Just like everything. I think the best thing humanity had ever going in terms of politics, economy and hierarchy was tribal life, everything after that went downhill.

How do you see that things will happen in the future if this is not a possible solution?

To its logical conclusion; humanity self-destructs. I think we are all well aware of the vast dangers that threaten us the coming decades because we're exploiting the earth like we do. But does any country really strive for a change in that matter? No, instead we have visionairies like Elon Musk who put their own hard earned money into these projects and then governments still have the audacity to intervene and stomp on it. We got some G-20 that can't ever really get to an agreement because its political and economical interests are to different and when they do its never enough.

Humanity is self destructive it always has been, it wants to sacrifice its life to its country, it does drugs and alcohol, indulges itself in fast food (Obesity is a western world epidemic), it destroys nature and life for pleasure or profit, its at constant war with someone else. All of humanity just screams destruction.

There is no solution because people need to change themselves not the system. Capitalism and communism are both designed to increase productivity, both trough different ways while trying to find a balanced and equal society. That we as people can't make that happen is not a systems fault. And resource economy is just the same story all over again. You'd try a different system only to find out that you're supposed to change your own ways. Resource based economy isn't going to cure people of their greed, anger, lust and powerhunger. Thats up to people themselves to change. And thats why you will never have a perfect solution untill humanity itself realizes it is the solution, not external factors, methods, designs and systems to point us in some direction away from themselves.

But as I don't find it likely that the huge majority of humanity will realize this and then also act on this, I say it will self-destruct. Hope I'm wrong though, and i'll gladly admit it when I am.

Please hear about this model how all could be done. For me, very healthy...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=l3zFWpntExg&app=desktop