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How does cause and effect prove evolution is not real? Mutations have a cause, the effect is evolution, your point?

How forgetful are you? Or is it that you simply don't read what is posted?

One of the bottom line premises of evolution is mutation without a cause behind it. Since the only real "evolution" we have seen is in the lab, it has been caused by us, the people. So, lab-caused evolution doesn't even fit the theory of evolution.

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There is more to evolution than mutation. A small percentage of mutations are beneficial, and selection can cause the beneficial mutations to persist and the harmful mutations to die off. The combination of mutation and selection can create new useful adaptations.

Sometimes things do get built by accident. Many discoveries started out as accidents that people recognized uses for. Many other designs (accidental or not) have been selected against, that is, discarded. Design itself is an evolutionary process.

Experiments and genetic analysis show that mutations (plus selection) do account for new adaptations

There you go, trying to distract. Things that get built by accident, haven't really been built by accident. Oh, it might have looked like they were. But there was C&E moving in it all to make it not an accident.

Mutations are not spontaneous. They were programmed to happen by C&E. No evolution in the way that standard evolution theory says. Are you trying to re-define evolution?

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True they had a cause, not a programmed cause, just a cause. Why are you saying programmed cause? They were not programmed they just have causes that we can't really predict because we don't have all the variables but not matter what the exact causes were it still true that the organism adapted to them and evolved. You are not disproving evolution.

Simply because the mutation causes are the effects of other causes, all the way back to the Beginning. Programming.

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Yes all the way back to the beginning but not programming. Where do you get the programming part from?

The simple example is computer software. You write a line of script, and it causes some other line of script to act. Or maybe it causes the computer to react.

We have not found a time or place where we know that the universe acts outside of its physics, its programming laws. Complex programming, but programming just the same.

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