Quote from: envion on December 14, 2017, 05:32:15 PM

It's regretful that we have to ban anyone from the Telegram channel, but we have a responsibility to our 12,000 members to encourage productive and respectful discussion. Every member has the opportunity to ask questions and get answers. It is our responsibility to communicate accurate information about envion to those who are interested. It's possible that you may not find satisfaction in our answers. The polite response to that situation is to move on to another topic or leave the group.

Repeating the same question and ignoring requests by admins and other members to stop cluttering the group and trolling is not an acceptable response and one that leads to sanctions. Your questions will never get you banned, a bad attitude is certain to get you banned.

Envion does not reveal its suppliers or pricing information. Period. This information falls under the trade secrets category for any and every business and revealing it not only jeopardizes the relationship with suppliers, but it also reveals information that could give competitors an advantage. It is no coincidence that the people most dissatisfied with our refusal to provide this information are in fact competitors.

@Saschaman is a competitor. He knows that given the small number of hardware suppliers, it's very easy to determine where hardware is coming fromeven if information on the deals is heavily redacted. Saschaman admitted so much on Telegramsimultaneously saying we should just black out certain information, but also saying that it would be easy to determine what sources are.

Envion considers this type of questioning to be an adversarial attack by a competitor.

We are confident that our investors understand that banning competitors for rudely demanding trade secrets is done as a protection for their investment.

Quote from: matale0 on December 14, 2017, 11:06:29 AM

From what Laurent was saying I dont think so they going to release anything, and when I asked about it, and said they promised it and tried to push my argument he banned me, so I guess its just build a hype as much as you can keep sheeple until near ico then dont release anything cuz u got nothing, sheeple will send ETH/BTC anyway.

I am not a competitor but I am also an investor in Hydrominer and I have a lot of experience with these type of mining in containers.

I am not in the Envion Telegram Channel, so this seems to be a confusion.

Off course I know all the suppliers and I also know that there is no way to purchase the amount of equipment you are planning at resonable prices and certainly not within short time, and especially not in a way that your ROI calculation would even remotely work.

For the Hydrominer Team and other companies in the market it is very annoying because investors here wonder where are theyr 161% and after many containers build and lots of experience I can tell you, there is no such thing, there are no 161%, not even close, envions calculation is simply wrong and missleading, it misses out VAT, it plays with a completely wrong hardware price, wrong energy cost, assumes connectability for containers at hydropowerstations. In my personal opinion this will go very wrong.

And there are many many other issues, such as the tradability of Dividend tokens on cryptoexchanges... etc. / the promise of negative energy prices and mining in hot countries in a container or even the idea to build 200 Containers / month.

Everyone should invest wherever they want but looking forward I am certain envion will leave behind a lot of unhappy customers and investors and will just help support those that always claim that mining is a scam etc.