Quote from: shamathana on June 22, 2011, 08:38:03 PM

Quote from: Luke-Jr on June 22, 2011, 06:23:10 PM

Quote from: shamathana on June 22, 2011, 06:13:51 PM

is poolhopping still an issue? the graphs i saw on eligius, are quite constant 24/7.

Whether people are actually doing it or not, I don't know. I don't think the hashrate graph gives enough info to tell. With proportional, pool hopping is a good idea and a miner's right. The problem is that it will kill the pools involved eventually.

if thats true, then why did u implement it in the first place?! why don't u know if they r hopping, aren't u the admin with access to lots of stats?! because if they r not, we could cut the whole thread quite short! and ur pools hashpower rises and rises.

Whether it's happening or not, it's basically stupid to not hop a prop. pool. And doing so will kill them.

Quote from: shamathana on June 22, 2011, 08:38:03 PM

Quote from: Luke-Jr on June 22, 2011, 06:23:10 PM

Quote from: shamathana on June 22, 2011, 06:13:51 PM

maximumpps stands against the no registration needed, because every time u change, u have to get ur maximum up again.

You still don't need to register. I agree, the lack of being able to change addresses on a whim is a concern. Any suggestions to deal with it?

not with keeping maxpps. but it's sounds shitty anyway maxpps = pps or less. shouldnt pps stand for a guaranteed value, which maxpps does not?

MaxPPS isn't PPS. PPS carries an infinite risk for the pool operator. MaxPPS is PPS without that risk. ie, you get as much as PPS would pay, so long as it doesn't kill the pool.

Quote from: shamathana on June 22, 2011, 08:38:03 PM

also i chose eligius, because in the end everything gets paid out after a week, but with maxpps that would not be the case. so i would change the server, because it looks like the worst system to me.

No matter which system is used, including MaxPPS, everything you earn will still be paid out after a week.

Quote from: shamathana on June 22, 2011, 08:38:03 PM

Quote from: Luke-Jr on June 22, 2011, 06:23:10 PM

Quote from: shamathana on June 22, 2011, 06:13:51 PM

pplns looks like the über ripoff:#
Variables: N = difficulty * 2
# Easy math: (your shares / N shares) * reward
basically it's like prop but the size is always two times time the average ( N = difficulty * 2). meaning it's averaged out prop/2.
on averge u would be ripped off 50%, on faster rounds even more, on doulbe than average rounds it would be like prop, and on longer than 2*average round u would decrease the 50%profit of the 50btc + fees margain of the operator.

Except that the last N shares are always paid. So except for blocks at least 2*diff shares long, your shares on the previous block(s) would get paid more than once.

ahh u should stress the retroactively part, where u get paid on average just half but it dates back twice as much, so it should average out(except really long round which own miners). now it makes sense.

Every system proposed averages out for ordinary miners.

Quote from: shamathana on June 22, 2011, 08:38:03 PM

interessting system. but it would just change hopping styles:
as i get it, u now join fresh rounds and leave when they take to long, and come back if a new one starts.
with pplns it's just the opposite. u join the long rounds, because they should be over soon and hopefully followed by shorter rounds, so u get paid triple and more. then leaving at the beginning of a new round in fear of a long round, where the first shares aren't worth anything. and being worth nothing should be a even stronger driving factor than being worth less.

Maybe, but this might be flawed with the gambler's fallacy: there's no reason to expect a short round after a long one. And really, there are no rounds with PPLNS at all.

Quote from: shamathana on June 22, 2011, 08:38:03 PM

all those systems have their ups and downs. but if u wanna combat hopping, pplns doesn't look to good. pps should be king, or if u wanna burden the miners with the risk it's maxpps.

PPS is king for miners obviously, but that means I'd be left paying them out of pocket at a loss. I could only afford that at probably 15% fee, which is IMO ridiculous. MaxPPS is the only viable way to do anything even close to feeless PPS.