Quote from: DarkRon on December 18, 2017, 09:53:36 PM

Def a cash grab. I found an interesting picture on github explaining a few things about this project. All records checked out when I dug into it myself.
Do background checks on the ceo and Co founder... Ask how Co founder settled his bankruptcy and re-secured his property worth 200k after the ICO when he's been fighting it in court SINCE 2011. He's filed twice for bankruptcy BTW. Founder is a felon as well..burglary.... Theif? I trust that with my thousands of dollars with nothing to show except some flashy animated videos...
All public records.. Yet you trust a project with 0 open source and nothing to show..
Please research where you put your money.
I hope I'm wrong but you've been warned.
Who do you think that 1.7 million sell wall was a few weeks back.
ICO funds were obviously used for personal things.
Connect the dots and think people.

Can you link me to this info i am very interested?

Yeh substratum is clearly a cash grab the circumstances around their ico where strange, they posted imagined of what they claimed was a working prototype but someone pointed out it looked very similar to apple's istat and when they got called out for it they said its a working prototype but we just copied something else because it was a quick job, later was proved they where photoshopped stills and obviously not a working prototype. Some months later they posted a video of finally a working version but it was clearly extremely limited numbers for bandwidth and such weren't moving, they avoided pressing lots of buttons etc.

Substratum is all bark no bite they market the hell out of vapour you can't even have a look at their code because it's closed off. Their claims of what their tech will be able to do don't even seem possible and extremely vague if you actually pay attention.

Also i have seen multiple screenshots of the leader of the project Justin fudding the hell out of other projects, spreading misinformation or just plain lying. Extremely unprofessional, look at their reddit they ban anyone who doubts them and asks questions, same on slack and telegram, they censor more than the chinese government! And afterwords they create public service anouncement type threads to calm investors and ignore the "fud".