Quote from: Bitus on December 18, 2017, 10:15:40 PM

Yes I can see many icos but never presales...
I bought ppp and lend and I'm happy but I cannot get in at presale!!

They exist but usually you have to invest much more then the general sale by factor of 10, 100 maybe a 1000.

Quote from: Raist on December 18, 2017, 11:01:01 PM

Either presales are made among strategical investors or people close to owners...

Definatly the truth. Startups like most of the ICO's get a sizable investment known as a seed investment,before they even start their media campaign(website, social accounts, Bitcointalk ann etc.). Pre-sale is always after this investment.