Quote from: randomcloud on July 12, 2013, 01:25:59 PM

Quote from: TECSHARE on July 07, 2013, 09:20:16 PM

Why are punishments almost always centered around revenge rather than restitution for the victims? maybe Jake needs mandatory employment working for the victim until he works off a suitable sum in proportion to the damages caused? In the case of murder, in many states they take the life of the murderer. Why not take that life and put it to constructive use rather than just ending life in revenge?

Why does talk about punishment always have to devolve into self-righteous whining about revenge? That's literally what the state is FOR -- it's a centralized substitute *for* individual revenge. Deal with it.

Excuse me, but if anyone is wining here it is you. Even if you don't give a crap about the well being of criminals whatsoever, the fact still remains that society paid a great debt to bring that individual to adulthood, and will continue to pay huge debts to incarcerate them. Reparations are a substitute for revenge because the victim can profit from the labor of the perpetrator.

The existing criminal justice system is nothing but a machine designed to take good old American biblical eye for an eye blood lust and transform it into a corporate profit system that neither deters crime nor brings reparations to the victims. If you want to spend half of your paycheck paying to incarcerate alcoholics for being alcoholics, drug addicts for being drug addicts, and poor people for being poor that's fine - just don't expect the rest of society to help you. If you really think our country (taxpayers) can afford to keep incarcerating more than 2.5 million people and growing, you are truly ignorant. Go take your liberal bashing bullshit rhetoric to a liberal.