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Who arms criminals with guns? Why, gun owners and gun sellers, of course. Nobody else.

Thieves arm criminals of course.

Assisted by gun owners. Definitely not assisted by those who don't own guns.

The Newtown shooter was armed by his mother. The Aurora shooter was armed by gun sellers. The Columbine shooters were armed by gun owners. All criminals who have guns get their guns through a path which originates from gun sellers or gun sellers to gun owners.

What's worse, virtually every one of those gun owners who gave up their guns to criminals go out buy more guns. Thus the escalation of guns to 300 million guns in this country, which is the problem.

Irresponsibility of gun owners and gun sellers are the reason for the arming of criminals.

I'm certainly glad that we have felony level statutes to prevent the provisioning of guns to criminals by law-abiding citizens.

Thus it would seem pretty clear - criminals arm criminals.

Oh really? Where did the criminals who are arming all the criminals get the guns?

I'm curious do you think you are clever? If so you could actually read the statutes and you'd get an idea pretty quick how the law works.

What is certain is that you...or I....don't make the rules or the "right or wrong" up on the spot.

Are you having difficulty answering the question?

Actually, I have no difficulty at all. Assuming that you agree that "criminal" is a product of the legal code, and not your personal opinion. Given that, the standard rule would be that a person legally buys a gun, then if and when he knowingly transfers it to someone who is not eligible to own it, he has committed a crime.

Thus a non criminal passed a gun to a criminal, becoming a criminal at that instant.

But your fancy talk doesn't help or solve the fundamentals of the human condition that create on occasion, the dire necessities which simply require firearms. And in such a case, my friend, your fancy words are worthless, and the police are usually far away.

No, I never thought of it that way. When I say criminal, I mean someone who has a criminal background, or, ultimately uses the newly acquired gun to engage in armed robbery, shootings, etc.

I appreciate the distinction, and thought that was probably where you might be coming from. Yes, there are many wrong things with laws, and there are many horrible uses of guns. You might consider and reflect that there are criminals by your definition, most certainly among the police and the politician. Perhaps 1/2 percent, something like that. Some people go bad. Some go slowly or rapidly or momentarily crazy.

So criminals arm police and politicians.

Interesting logic....