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Do they have the right to fail themselves? Is that what you're asking? Why don't you ask yourself that question and provide the answer?

If the metric of "fail themselves" is disagreement with you, then yes, they have the right to disagree with you, and "fail themselves".

And where does that leave them, in the end?

Free?

Quote from: FirstAscent on July 23, 2013, 05:59:40 AM

Civilized behavior does not arise magically. It arrives through sharing of knowledge and cooperation. There are better examples in this world. Or at least ideas which can be merged.

You do not seek to know them or cooperate with them, you seek to bend them to your will, and to tell them how to be.
Yes, you could set a better example of civilisation. Your current example reeks of supercilious condemnation and dictatorial imperialism.

How tiring. Are you sixteen, and carrying the torch of rebellion because you want a cause as bad as you want to lose your virginity? That's how you sound, honestly. You have no interest in an improved society. You just want to cry out how wronged you feel, as you bask in amenities realized by your government while others have less. And yet you deny what could be, for you probably crave a fight, fantasizing about taking up arms with your fellow rebels, until half your face is blown off.

Ew. This digression into your fantasies of the sexual desires of your imagined 16yr old is very much out of place, especially with you ending your fantasy in such a bloody way. Seek therapy. Or Self reflection.
Consider that you are looking to influence a foreign group that disagree with your version of the ideal homogeneous authoritarian submission. You picked this fight, no one is trying to convince you to change, so long as you can contain your personal perversity to the consenting.

I picked this fight? How strange. I didn't create this thread. Someone else did, and I merely presented my position. My recent words are a reaction to your most recent visceral post, commenting of reekings and getting up in arms as if discussing stats from various cultures in comparison to the U.S. is akin to war. You do indeed sound like I described you precisely because of the words you're using.

One more comment for FirstAscent.

You said...

Are you sixteen, and carrying the torch of rebellion because you want a cause..... yet you deny what could be, for you probably crave a fight, fantasizing about taking up arms with your fellow rebels, until half your face is blown off.

I would like to humbly point out (not trying to foment more of a flame war here) that it is precisely the large governments that historically have sucked young 16-18 year olds into going to war using idealistic and patriotic imagery and propaganda. It is precisely those governments that have caused them to get half their faces blown off.

The same type of governments that "know best", right? That have implemented progressive propaganda campaigns to create a "better society".

Little problem there, LOL...

In today's age, with existing technology, I'm against the draft. And I'm willing to bet you, that most of those in this country that sign up for the military are on your side when it comes to gun rights.