Quote from: FirstAscent on July 23, 2013, 05:58:23 PM

Quote from: Spendulus on July 23, 2013, 05:49:27 PM

Quote from: FirstAscent on July 23, 2013, 04:53:42 PM

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In today's age, with existing technology, I'm against the draft. And I'm willing to bet you, that most of those in this country that sign up for the military are on your side when it comes to gun rights.

It doesn't matter if you are for or against conscription. It does not matter if new military enlistees have a particular viewpoint on gun rights.

Obviously if a country could entice young men into fighting with promise of glory and bravery then it would not need a draft. So your response has nothing to do with my point. Here it is again.

it is precisely the large governments that historically have sucked young 16-18 year olds into going to war using idealistic and patriotic imagery and propaganda. It is precisely those governments that have caused them to get half their faces blown off.

So you're somehow trying to say that because organization G causes the group S to get their faces blown off, that somehow my statement about subculture L seemingly waiting for the day when X happens, might result in some of subculture's members in getting their faces blown off?

Let me understand then: you're saying that because something happens, my remark about something unrelated happening holds no value?

Interesting.

Unfortunately, G, S and L in your hypothetical....are never "unrelated", are they?

We KNOW countries start wars, kill large numbers of people, draft or enlist their young men and women, other people oppose this, so forth and so on. You can certainly move to "relax the tensions" as the US and Soviet empires did. But this in itself affirms the relationships.