Quote from: FirstAscent on July 23, 2013, 02:43:03 AM

Quote from: mdude77 on July 22, 2013, 10:14:18 PM

Quote from: FirstAscent on July 22, 2013, 09:48:41 PM

Quote from: Rassah on July 22, 2013, 09:46:41 PM

^^^^^ That, Rampion, is my point and understanding of the matter entirely, which I completely agree with.

Note the statement Rampion made: "Nobody in Switzerland wishes to carry a gun..."

It would help if people in the U.S. stopped wishing to carry guns...

Finally, something that makes sense from you! Guns don't kill people, people do.

Another NRA meme with no merit. Tell me, can you cite one example where gun control advocates called for a banning of guns from a society where no people existed? If you can, then that might lend some credence to your repetition of that pointless slogan. Instead, you'll discover that gun control advocates seek a reduction in the possession of guns by people, which is a condition, not an object. Possession is a condition in which people possess guns, which implies a relationship between two things - a person, and a gun, which in combination, can be deadly.

Please, stop with the meaningless sayings.

The only thing I've seen for sure from you is you believe most people are not capable of taking care of themselves, and that a bigger better society has to do it for them. Therefore guns should be taken from you "for your own protection". That tells me that either you desire to be taken care of (which is fine), or you desire to control others (not fine). Either way, I can take care of myself, I don't need a nanny state to do so. Governments can never be trusted as long as they are godless, and I'm not surrendering my God given right to a government full of power control freaks. Not only that, I will also encourage every one else who is capable of taking care of themselves (most people) to do the same.

BTW, your attempted slams of NRA are not accomplishing anything. I personally don't like the NRA, they endorse far too many folks in government who have no right being there. However, if it wasn't for them, the US would likely be a dictatorship like China or the UK. (Yes, I did say that. You're either free, or you aren't. Not allowed to have a gun? But the government can? That makes you a subject. That's the political correct term for a slave.)

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