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The reality of the matter is that the sweatshops are necessary - 100% necessary. The only reason we don't have them here anymore is because we outsourced them due to things like evironmental and safety regulations and unions driving up the price of labor (not some magical capitalism fairy). The third-world doesn't have anywhere else to outsource them to, so they're stuck with it forever.

How did environmental/safety regulations and unions have the power to do anything, though? What reason would ANY factory have to open with a population of people unwilling to work at correct market prices? Also, why did those countries gain their middle class before such things existed?

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Correct market prices REQUIRE TWO TO TANGO. If one or both parties refuse a price, then IT'S NOT THE CORRECT MARKET PRICE.

Assuming price is the only bargaining chip is corporatist fail.

Too bad that a sweatshop worker working at a sweatshop, by default, accepts the price of his own labour. If sweatshops are evil because one/both parties refuse a price, then they cannot work because the workers would refuse to work there or the sweatshops wouldn't employ them, meaning that the problem of sweatshops would solve itself, but if the workers accept it then they are accepting the given price/wage therefore it is a correct market price making it is clearly disadvantageous for the workers to have their workplace removed. QED

The workers are being kept from bargaining collectively by the local governments. If they could bargain collectively (as the company does) then a fair market price could be reached.

Exactly, it's part of the power difference, but no one wants to take that into consideration.

The issue is not government. The issue is the BUSINESSES that influence the government do things like remove unionization, regulation, safety standards, minimum wage, working standards, etc. It's this completely deregulated environment that allows things like sweatshops to exist, and big business NEEDS sweatshops. Ironically, this environment is GREAT for business, as it possesses all the things capitalists desire.

Are you breaking out into that "government is an inanimate TOOL" argument again?

Also, something you might want to remember: Libertarianism is in favour of individual liberty, not "business". If a corporation sent a gang of thugs to take my money in the name of providing services I didn't ask for, I would oppose it just as strongly as I oppose the state. Actually, a sufficiently large corporation that used certain methods would be a state to all practical purposes.