Quote from: Findeton on June 25, 2011, 12:54:18 PM

First: If the venus project is different from the Zeitgeist movement, you should distance yourself from people like LightRider every time you can, because elsehow it will damage TZM. I haven't seen any distance keeping action from TZM.

I don't know LightRider, and I don't have time to "distance" myself from any particular individual. I state the facts and answer questions, then if you have a working mind you can do the rest yourself.

Quote from: Findeton on June 25, 2011, 12:54:18 PM

About democracy: So you want wise men (scientists, supposedly) to rule your society. I repeat it: that's an aristocracy/meritocracy. According to Wikipedia "Aristocracy is a form of government in which the best qualified citizens rule".

You are missing the point. It's not about who decides what, but according to what method. We advocate the scientific method, so if everybody was scientific literate, as we propose, everybody would be engaged in the act of "deciding".

Aristocracy is a loaded word, and doesn't solve the problem because you are to have to explain who is qualified and why, who decides and so on.

If you don't understand that, try joining the Drupal or the Firefox development team. And, by the way, it's not just programmers, there is usability testing, graphic design and all sorts of things, and that's just a software program. Apply that to the whole society, and anybody can contribute, given that the scientific method is followed.

You keep thinking in abstract terms and ideologies, and that's why you project those notions to other. I'm talking about practical things that work, I'm not interested in discussion the sex of the angels as you are.

Quote from: Findeton on June 25, 2011, 12:54:18 PM

I still see no difference in essence between what you advocate and what The Venus Project advocates.

That's because you haven't read the material or our articles, you haven't been attending any of the meetings, you don't know how we work, you haven't seen our conferences, you haven't engaged in discussion with anybody. You just read a couple of lines, flicked through superficially, made up stuff, and then insulted everyone who talked about an RBE.

No wonder you don't understand.