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Hey Rob, SEO_Account was attempting to create a Proposal on the Pool website but he noticed this message:

"** Note: Each new Proposal costs 2500 BBP. Please do not Save the proposal unless you agree to pay 2500 BBP **"

Does the proposal fee come out of the pool account? How does this work?
(If it does come out of the pool account, is there a way to send funds to ones pool account?)

If BBP price is about $0.01 per BBP, thats about ~$25?

My understanding is that proposal fee is to help reduce spamming of proposals?

Thanks!, Togo

Yeah, someone tried to create a proposal pointed to a web site that had a virus on the page. I think theyve tried pretty much everything now.
(That almost beats the one where they uploaded a virus into an orphans letter).

So I had to raise the bar a little bit to enter proposals.
You know, in Dash, its 5 dash to create a proposal, and since that is like $5000, over there the proposer usually asks for reimbursement inside the proposal.

So I recommend doing the same thing here, pad the 2500 bbp on top of your proposal amount.

The amount is deducted from the users pool balance.

Its also there to help reduce proposals down to serious proposals only, the least I would expect is someone to spend $25 up front to ask us to evaluate the proposal (as it takes all of our time to vote on it and read it and discuss it) etc.

I could deposit BBP into ones pool account if a person sends me BBP, Ill credit the pool account if need be.

Awesome!, oh man so many terrible people in the world... ugh

The 5 Dash fee has been interesting to watch given how much it costs now, its hard for the average joe to create proposals over there,
I think theyve been debating a lower fee, but also theyve debating ideas like sub DAOs, and having organizations that vet projects and fund the fee,
very interesting to watch unfold. There was one pretty awesome team that I saw that proposed creating a hardware wallet device for Dash and they got rejected, RIP $5k

Currently I only have ~400 BBP in my pool account and I guess SEO_Account doesnt have much BBP in his either,
I know your pool site abstracts the complexity of creating the proposal in the blockchain, which is awesome!,
but yeah It would be cool to be able to fund my pool account if possible!

I think this is going to cause it to be harder for individuals who want to do work with us who dont mine on the pool or who dont have any coins
(especially new charities/nonprofits and such), and I believe it also centralizes the process and causes you to have to do more work
(which Id like to lift as much extra work as possible from you!), but I do think the proposal fee is totally necessary.

Is there a way to enter the proposal into the blockchain without using the pool?
I believe there is, I can dig into it and write instructions, but not sure if it would show up on the pool website, hmmm

Ok, credited you the BBP to your pool account.

The commands to do it from the chain are actually in the pool source code, its not easy, but its not rocket science. It requires dumping 6-7 fields in notepad, creating a hex proposal with rpc commands, sending money to escrow in the chain, recording txid, sending the thing into the chain as a proposal with escrow, so yes it can be done manually.

I would not worry about this centralization too much right now, as I think the weed and feed nature weeds out corruption and is a greater benefit than spending time on the issue, we have a lot to do, and technically its still decentalized anyway. I think we should take a look at creating a spreadsheet of third world countries and filling fields with attributes for the unbanked, and starting an initiaitve to add a bbp feature taht services the unbanked and somehow, provides food to starving children in that area. We could ask Webster to make us a mobile electrum wallet, and lets try to be the creator of some high technology that lets you buy a loaf of bread in that area, or use bbp like a checking account.

The stragglers will come on the board and beg you to enter a proposal, not a problem.

You rang.. lol

Yeah Id love to do that and actually AM doing that. I am considering different server side options for the RPC side. There are many libs out there to choose from . I have dug a bit into electrum server and got it installed but then got distracted with the UI side of things. Ive got several learning curves im going through with all these technologies (front and back) and languages so bear with me as I figure out several approaches.

Also Ill never be able to mine 2500 bbp...with the missing blocks and my very low cpu resources id be lucky to reach that target in weeks. So to submit a proposal I will have to forward you some coins when Im ready to put something together. And I def want to get into this next blocks budget. Also have some interesting ideas for a PR project. Going to be a very busy next two weeks for me...

... I am going back to my coding cave now to absorb the bookmarks.... if only i could pause time to let my brain catch up to all these different bits of pieces ....

Ok, sounds like you are very passionate about this project, thats what we need! Sweet. Yeah, we will back you when we need to put the proposal in, awesome.