Quote from: Wayne_Chang on July 29, 2013, 12:58:27 PM

Quote from: SebastianJu on July 29, 2013, 11:53:40 AM

iikun... if you call him you can see that he occassionally clicks away a call. He reads ticket headers but getting an answer is nearly impossible.

Wayne_Chang... i think that is your logic and i dont understand it. I asked for a miner refund because the long delay for batch 3 is so big that i dont believe anymore to get the buying price back. Thats not the case with the chips. I didnt ask for a refund for the chips. I ordered chips because not much can go wrong. Now having the chips delayed because of an independent product isnt ok. It doesnt help the b3- buyers anyway when you see the difficulty. So why should the next group of customers get problems?

Think about it just like we took train from same place to same destination. Your ticket was 1 hour earlier than mine. But the train delayed 1 hour. When the train arrived staition, the conductor let me go first just because you was already delayed but I didn't. Do you think this logic is right or wrong?

Its more like there are people that want to go by train and not have to drive on their own and other people that want to drive on their own by car. The time for the train comes and the road is blocked for the cars... everyone waits and after a long time its said that the train still is standing in the station. But the cars have to wait and wait only because the train should have go through before after schedule. Instead letting the cars through all have to suffer. And instead giving refund to those sitting at the train station so they could buy a taxi ticket the refund is missing. But even with refund... the taxi wouldnt go through... its blocked.
I mean yifu would not even have work with shipping the chips. A least not much. Solving some tickets, telling his shipment provider how many chips to ship to which address and thats it. Completely different to creating miners.

Quote from: ftping on July 29, 2013, 01:21:35 PM

@SebastianJu, you should spam call Yifu until he finally answers. You seem to have had luck in the past. Tongue

I gave up on this. I tried it for days... i have a list with all the calls and how fast the call was ended... 90% of the time it rings out at 30 seconds, the remaining times he click me away. He will definitely not answer me anymore. I gave up on this. I know he reads the topics of tickets... thats the only thing i try occasionally to remind him.

Quote from: jspielberg on July 29, 2013, 02:34:58 PM

And that is why so many of us B3 folk opted for a refund. The reasons which made the deal sensible went out the window with the chip sales following right on their heels/ahead in shipping.

I would have kept it when it came in time... May 5th was the original shipping date Shocked

... its now nearly 3!!! months later... i mean the chips would have been shipped a good time after that... then assembly and so on... b3-miners would have gotten their chance. But at least yifu saw himself that there is a problem and offered refund. In bitcoin... thats something good... though i miss the refund till now.

Quote from: pikeadz on July 29, 2013, 02:35:58 PM

Quote from: AMD FTW on July 29, 2013, 01:51:45 PM

It's not ethically fair to hold up chips for one group when the chips are ready for both the Avalon units and DIY boards.

This assumes the chips are ready and waiting to be shipped, of which there is no evidence of. Just be patient and wait for your chips as we wait for our Avalons. What will be will be.

I dont doubt that they are there. Yifu collected chip batches until 5 weeks after opening of the sales. Then he ordered all batches at the foundry at once. All future batches were ordered instantly at the foundry. Most probably because they didnt have started to produce and so the new batch still could switch into queue. And the foundry waited a bit so that they only have to change their machines one time and produce all in one rush. Now already many chips are shipped to those 2 big wholesale buyers and one small batch to zefir. Im sure those chips are produced with all the others. But those wholesalebuyers were smart enough to get a special contract with fast delivery. I doubt that so many chips were ordered in between. If they would have ordered those wholesale chips from the start then it would have been no problem to order all other batches right in the moment of ordering. But yifu didnt, he ordered after 5 weeks.
Of course thats no evidence but i think it contains some logic.

Quote from: Wayne_Chang on July 29, 2013, 02:37:52 PM

If you guys insist on your logic, how about this.
Bitsyncom comes out 2nd generation wafer, and sold out immediately. Because wafer do not need to do assembly and test, so they ship wafer before your guys' chips or at least paralleled.
How do you think in this way?

Wouldnt happen. Because new generation chips cant be produced faster than already proofed old ones. I ordered the old chips especially because i know that it can be done fast.

Quote from: Wayne_Chang on July 29, 2013, 02:37:52 PM

Guys, first in first out is the basic rule. Especially for goods come from same company and will affect each other no matter which is shipped first.

*lol* I hope you never become a manager at amazon. You probably would stop the whole shipment machinery when goods are sold out. Yes, youre right, these buyers ordered earlier but hold back other already available goods? I hope you get the point.

@AMD FTW... I remember too that Yifu calculated the price on future mining income. It was some kind of formula... *search* I guess i found it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=203745.msg2629734#msg2629734

Quote from: Noogsy on July 29, 2013, 03:56:27 PM

Honestly, I'm of a different opinion.
It's enough seeing BFL spit on "the queue" by sending Jalapenos out that were later ordered than other singles/rigs.
Please don't do that too, Avalon. Batch 3 boxes were just ordered first.
Thx 4 reading.

Thats unfair from BFL, i see this too. But the difference is that they work on those newer orders first while they should work on the olders first.
Its different with avalon. The chips ONLY need to be shipped. No miner to create. So thats not an excuse.