Quote from: 4v4l0n42 on June 25, 2011, 07:20:23 PM

Quote from: andes on June 25, 2011, 06:57:45 PM

First off, there is no absolute objetivity whatsoever. That is a naive simplification. In fact, if you believe in science, you must necessarily come to the conclusion that objective reality is an ilusion.

True. And it's a strawman argument. Nobody said that with science you get the best objective decision. However, you can make the best with the knowledge available at the moment, and that is constantly changing.

I really don't see why people have such a difficulty understanding the basics of the scientific method. Science tells you what is the best up to that point, with the information available. As more information comes in, you make better predictions, create better theories and better experiments. It's not a fallacy of the method, it's how it's supposed to work.

When the first ideas of non-Euclidean geometry were introduced, we didn't throw geometry out of the window. We gained more knowledge. When Einstein proposed the theory of relativity, we didn't burn the books about Newtonian mechanics.

Why do you keep thinking in absolute, philosophical terms? If you want to better manage a society, you need to be practical and talk about real things.

4v4l0n42 when you get to real things, everything is subjective. I'm an engineer and that's one reason I know you are wrong. I mean, there's nothing fundamentally wrong with nuclear power plants in comparison to solar power harvesting: each option has its own drawbacks and advantages. BTW I advocate for solar techs but that's just my opinion: you can ask on this matter to many scientists and they'll not agree with each other on this subject.

Quote from: 4v4l0n42 on June 25, 2011, 06:51:43 PM

Quote from: Findeton on June 25, 2011, 05:25:15 PM

The scientific method is just a way of acquiring new knowledge, not a way of organizing society or deciding economy/policy/laws.

That's where you are dead wrong.

No, that's where you are wrong. I repeat it: The scientific method is just a way of acquiring new knowledge, not a way of organizing society or deciding economy/policy/laws.

You cannot apply the scientific method to anything apart from science. And science is "a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations" (wikipedia).

The scientific method is a way of acquiring new knowledge (testing accepted and new theories), JUST THAT. You don't understand that, and I DO understand that because I am an engineer and because I'm an engineer I know the difference between doing science and applying science.

If you try to use the scientific method to anything apart from acquiring new knowledge in the realms of science, you are just PRETENDING to use the scientific method just like parrots pretend to speak by repeating sentences.

And yeah, you're a member of a cult. Just like scientology is a cult, Zeitgeist and the Venus Project are cults/sects. Although I must say that from what I know Scientology is a far more dangerous sect, for now.