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Who want a Pool with Who want a Pool with Proportional (Prop) - The block reward is distributed among miners in proportion to the number of shares they submitted in a round. The expected reward per share depends on the number of shares already submitted in the round.

For LBRY as SuperNova does not pay well, SuperNova is paying 30% less to us...

If there is interest of 20 Giant B machines than i can ask a friend to build a pool where there would be no tricks of PPLNS

Seems you don't understand how PPLNS works

PPLNS actually pays MORE than Prop - Prop is exploitable by pool hoppers/Nicehash - thats the reason the pool actually IS running in PPLNS.

In a Prop Pool a user with for example Nicehash can push a lof of shares until the round reaches 30-35% and then hopps out - if the block has been found within this time, he'll get the biggest part of that block because he submitted super-many shares during that time, all the regular miners will get underpaid.

In PPLNS, the pool looks over the last 10 rounds (lucky and unlucky rounds) and pays for those shares, so the pool hopper, which will have LESS shares during 10 rounds than regular miners will actually be paid LESS here.

And please.. Those idiotic "SuperNova pays 100% less" etc. Stop it.. It's just ridicolous.

I can still open a Prop Pool next to the PPLNS pool for free, however, PPLNS is the best available payout method.

Whats your explanation for 30% less payout by Supernova?

If PPLNS is so good should give something around about the Est rewards but not that much big difference of 30%

It's not possible, what proof have you got ? You can forget the estimates as the difficulty is increasing hour by hour since the miners are coming online.

Read here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=24966.0

Proof is i am mining there and doing daily monitoring but it always pay 30% lesser, i understand calculators are not always 100% correct but they are not that incorrect , so how you justify 30% less payouts?

They ARE that incorrect.

Oh, really?

For all other coins i am mining they are correct for example Litecoin and only in case of XVG they are incorrect? come on. Do you own supernova? If not then its none of your business, let them come forward and explain.

I've (tried) to explain it to you several times and you're not seeming to understand.

Can you answer why whattomine calculator is only wrong regarding XVG and not regarding other currencies such as Litecoin?

Litecoin has a super-stable difficulty, it's almost like bitcoin, most calculators work fine with it.

Verge actually should pay out BETTER than what the calculator says as the difficulty over the alast 24h and 7d is decreasing and the calculators always calculate a static difficulty and don't have any variance. AND XVG is actually vulnerable to a difficulty retarget exploit - it will retarget too low when hashrate drops under a certain point and then will retarget too high ... during that time you can mine much more profitable.. After that phase you stop your miners, mine a different coin and come back to XVG when the diff dropped again

Many other algos have the same problem on whattomine, simply try a few other pools and coins and you'll notice that as well, DASH is a good example - it was super-exploited with the D3's coming online back in the days.

However, to come back to the PPLNS vs. Prop - did you read my link and explanation about that ? Are you still so certain that Prop payout is so much better ?