Quote from: pereira4 on January 20, 2018, 05:24:17 PM

More cases of frozen funds, this time a $40000 transaction:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7rfwec/warning_do_not_send_any_large_sums_to_coinbase/?utm_content=title&utm_medium=browse&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=Bitcoin

What does that have to do with anything? Someone wired GDAX money and they didn't credit it properly. They are apparently wiring the money back to the customer. So what?

Quote from: pereira4 on January 20, 2018, 05:24:17 PM

We are not Al Capone, and I suppose we are not trying to launder money because I would rather sleep at night than getting caught trying to launder bitcoins into a bank account. We are talking about keeping it legal once you decide to cash out.

The point was that tax authorities want your income taxes, regardless of where it is derived. You are the one making the assumption that laundering is necessary. If you feel the need to launder it, you can. You've done nothing illegal; you are merely assuming that you are automatically tied to crime with no basis. And then you refuse to do anything about it. If you are so terrified of your bitcoins, sell them to me at a steep discount. If you've got enough, I'll travel internationally and pay you in your local currency (cash).

Or are you terrified of cash, too?

Quote from: pereira4 on January 20, 2018, 05:24:17 PM

Precisely because of the lack of precedents, it's safe to be paranoid. Have you or do you know anyone that has cashed out a decent amount of BTC earned in bitcointalk? How did it go? until we have this info, we are just speculating.

As I said, I've been withdrawing considerable income from cryptocurrency trading for several years. That includes dead exchanges. I've earned from signature campaigns as well, although that's peanuts in comparison.

Quote from: pereira4 on January 20, 2018, 05:24:17 PM

I asked about mixed coins and dead exchanges too. And like I said, we have no precedents, we don't know what we are dealing with. Maybe you think pointing to this forum is enough and they decide to fuck you up and decide it's not enough evidence, the government is totally clueless about bitcoin and they will take the cautious stance, meaning, at any doubt, they will declare that it's not enough proof.

I gave you an answer about mixed coins and dead exchanges, too.

Blockchain analysis companies (and therefore governments) acknowledge that even the vast majority of mixed coins are not illicit in nature. You, transparently, are not tied to illicit activity. If you're so paranoid, though, you really should probably stay away from Bitcoin. This kind of paranoia isn't good for your health.

You're basically taking the position that your government will seize your assets regardless of anything you do. If that's the case, you should consider changing your country of residence.

Quote from: pereira4 on January 20, 2018, 05:24:17 PM

Again, point me to a real case of people:

1) Selling coins that came from a mixed transaction
2) Selling coins that came from a dead exchange
3) Selling coins that came from signature campaign earnings

Maybe you should provide cases where any of these circumstances led to asset seizure or prison, on their own? I've done all of these things over the course of years without issue. So have countless other people around here.

Quote from: pereira4 on January 20, 2018, 05:24:17 PM

It doesn't matter what they "couldn't", what matters is what evidence you present. And if they are legitimately bought, you have the bank transaction into Coinbase with your name and ID and whatever.

Says who? Goods and services paid in bitcoins = illegal? Cash transactions are illegal? P2P transactions are illegal? Altcoin trading is illegal? If so, your country of residence is the problem. Consider moving.

Quote from: pereira4 on January 20, 2018, 05:24:17 PM

Now if you made some coins on a signature campaign and put them on Mintpal and trade for LTC or something then back to your wallet.. there are no traits of that, because the exchange is dead, and back then exchanges were completely anonymous, even in Poloniex I entered some fake name and location to trade because no one cared back then, you can look in this forum and everyone used fake names. This has now became a problem if I intend to sell these coins.

Who cares? What possible evidence do you have that paying the appropriate taxes on what you owe isn't sufficient? You're basically saying that if you withdrew 5 BTC and eventually sold it, and paid the appropriate taxes on all fiat money that moved through the banking system, that you would have all your assets taken and maybe thrown in prison. What possible evidence do you have for that?

Quote from: pereira4 on January 20, 2018, 05:24:17 PM

Yes, unless you can clearly prove that the gains come from gambling on a casino, you have a problem. Also there would be the bank transactions with your name on it and the destination to this former company, with crypto to crypto there's nothing.

That's ridiculous. That means cash transactions are completely illegal where you live. I doubt that's true.

And FYI, when I go to the casino and play cash games, there are no tax forms. I've pulled out 5 figures from the cage (cash) without the casino reporting anything to the IRS. It is my responsibility to pay taxes on my winnings. It is not illegal to transact in cash.

If it is illegal to interact with cash where you live, you should move.

Quote from: pereira4 on January 20, 2018, 05:24:17 PM

How do you trade the coins back to Mintpal?

It's a mess of transactions, different altcoins, different wallets. I even did a bunch of micro trades worth satoshis. And I don't even have my trades that I did on Mintpal, I was going to save the trading history but when I went to the site the next day it was already dead, same goes for Cryptsy, how the fuck do I even report that.

That sucks, but you should have saved your trading history years ago. I paid taxes on everything from Mintpal and Cryptsy several years ago. If your tax argument is that altcoin trading = like-kind transactions, then you could hypothetically just fabricate records to explain how 1 BTC became 5 BTC. Under that tax theory, it literally doesn't matter anyway. And there is no way in hell that anybody is going to be parsing through Mintpal/Cryptsy transactions to decipher tax evasion at this point.