Quote from: Jaime Frontero on June 26, 2011, 05:14:25 AM

what worries me is environmental refugees. take the greeks - they are a perfect storm: the worst economy in the EU at the moment, but they are also about to deal with the worst oncoming global warming issues. it's a nasty combination - and they're not too likely to discuss it over tea...

You're right..We only drink frappe...

Quote from: Jaime Frontero on June 26, 2011, 06:21:39 AM

ummm... no.

it's the heat, in greece. not the ocean-level rise.

look into it.

I don't know where you get your facts from,but I can tell you that this summer has not been any hotter than the previous one,or the one before that.

Quote from: MoonShadow on June 26, 2011, 06:38:09 AM

And if climate change is true, and Greece becomes much hotter, what do you think happens to the agricultural base of Greece? Again, economic crisis is the near term problem. If people in Greece can't grow enough food for their populations due to the heat, the increases in viable farmlands in Siberia and Canada's Northern Territories would more than compensate, but if the Greeks can't afford to trade internationally, they starve.

A valid point,but most of our agricultural products get traded to other EU countries,and for instance we end up buying olive oil from other countries anyway.
That is of course the way the market works.But you'd be hard-pressed to find someone that actually buys olive oil from the store,and not from some "family member" in the village.
So if we end up being unable to trade food,we will turn to our "families" to get some of the food they have stored away.
And maybe get to teach a 75 year old woman how to use bitcoins in the process.

I use quotation marks on family because it's usually someone not directly related to your family,not in the strict sense.

Quote from: killer2021 on June 26, 2011, 04:41:00 AM

Quote from: cablestudios on June 26, 2011, 04:37:14 AM

This will be very good for bitcoin. Maybe not so much for freedom

Yea if there is anyone in greece. Go out protesting and walk around with some sort of sign that refers to bitcoin. Could get lots of exposure if it is picked up by a broadcast by a main stream media outlet.

I'll do it if you pay me a bitcoin!Seriously though,if I were to go around preaching the virtues of bitcoin these are the most probable outcomes:

1)I get laughed at and thought of as a starving lunatic,saying that the internet is going to help us get out of this crisis...
2)I get a media outlet to interview me,and then they present me as a lunatic,by editing everything I said to become incoherent and accompany it by laugh tracks and stupid one-liners...
3)Maybe I get a few people to look into bitcoin,but most of them would get put off by the technical side and quit...Or worse..
4)They actually think they will get rich,so they buy a 600E pre-built computer install the client and after a day or two,when they haven't generated a single coin,I get to be the asshole that made them spent their money on something they didn't understand.