Quote from: leenoox on January 21, 2018, 08:41:44 PM

Quote from: CryptAtomeTrader44 on January 21, 2018, 04:31:22 PM

Quote from: papampi on January 21, 2018, 06:53:39 AM

Thats exactly what Leenoox says to use Lubuntu or some thing lighter.
But I think changing OS needs fullzero consent and its not our place to fully change his OS.

Ubuntu 18.04 is coming in less than 3 months
lets see how it works with gnome-desktop and new kernels, and hopefully fullzero will show up till then too.

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nvOC boots in less than a minute and I dont see any reason to migrate from it and go for lubuntu or any thing else when ubuntu has the most users and many are familiar with it.

Only reducing the weight of the image for first. That will facilitate downloading and flashing. This reduced weight would permit smaller USB KEY too.

As was mentioned above by another contributor, a script that will be added to a normal version of ubuntu would be largely superficial. Not necessarily need to download a complete system as currently. It would suffice to say that it must install these scripts packages on ubuntu VIRGIN

For Fullzero, will we see him coming back one day?
Nothing is less sure.

I know we've already talked about all this, but the more time passes and the more difficult it is to continue without giving you access to you and other coders like Leenoox and Stubo or others I probably forget . You can not even edit the description of the thread and readers are forced to type in the entire thread to understand what is happening. Not really optimized all that.

I'm just a user, but I still read posts that say they downloaded version 19-1.4 instead of yours.

Ubuntu is heavyweight OS and it's desktop Unity is nothing but trouble. Even Ubuntu is abandoning Unity in its next release and are switching to Gnome which is even heavier (but more stable). I doubt we need a full featured desktop environment for mining purposes. Why carry all that heavy and resource hungry desktop environment when we don't really need it.

If we want to stay within the Ubuntu ecosystem my proposal was to switch to Lubuntu which is using LXDE desktop which is much lighter and less resource hungry than Ubuntu's Unity. But... Lubuntu is switching from LXDE to LXQT in the next release in few months which is even greater and doesn't make sense to build, apply tweaks and optimize it when in few months will change its core system.

We are stuck at crossroad with Ubuntu and its derivatives (Lubuntu) at the moment as major changes and new LTS versions are coming in 3 months time, not worth the effort to rebuild nvoc on a new base Ubuntu system now.

On the other hand, as my opinion is not very favorable towards any Ubuntu (or derivative) as being built for masses and thus introduce features that create overhead and inherit bugs we don't really need in mining OS (Bluetooth, printers, sound, media), I am leaning towards building linux from scratch by using Manjaro Architect (Arch linux based) or start with plain Arch linux and add only what we need in the mining world (latest kernel for greater hardwer support, light desktop, compilers, script support, php, Perl, etc.), which will shed all junk and bloatware that comes with Ubuntu and will be extremely light, responsive and easy on resources.

In my opinion this would be natural progression of nvoc as we will transfer everything from nvoc into a new base system with the added benefits of better hardware support (latest kernel), security (latest software updates), compatibility with new miners (CUDA 9.1), stability, less resources, etc. The beauty of Arch linux is the use of rolling system which means there are no new releases, there are no releases and end of life, the system is always the latest, you can take years old image and will bring itself up as if it was installed today with all latest software and packages.

In my opinion this will not steer away from fullzero's beliefs or nvoc's open source way but will help us keep nvoc up to date with bleeding edge hardware support and up to date softwate.

I am not saying that this will be easy or can happen overnight. There is a lot of work to custom build Arch linux, apply tweaks and adapt nvoc's scripts to the new ecosystem but once it's done we will have rock solid mining OS without any bloatware that will have very small image to download and could probably use only few gigs of space.

If there's enough interest and positive feedback on this, I could start working on it Wink

I only used the ARCH LINUX system once and I was pleasantly surprised at the fluidity of my Raspberry v1.

As far as I am concerned, you have all my support, and I am willing to help you as I can, for example by testing what you will make available to us. If your image is on a 4 GB USB key then I think you will easily find a lot of testers.

With regard to CUDA 9.1, the pb seems to come from the develloppers of engineering sofware as ccminer. many versions have not moved for months, and others seem to evolve quickly and often like that of Klaust. I think it will be difficult to reconcile CUDA 8 and Cuda 9.1 in the same system.

I was actually thinking about Lubuntu, but from what you write there, enfochntion of the different evolutions of the two branches of ubuntu, it may not be worth it. not now anyway.

On the other hand, this is a huge project and if I want to make my contribution to the building, I'm not sure I have enough knowledge like you ...

Launch and tell us what is going on in a few weeks. 8 weeks can be to have a draft?