Quote from: cellard on January 24, 2018, 08:00:07 PM

Some people argue that something cannot ever be considered as money if you cannot get credit through it

Some people say the earth is flat.....

Quote from: cellard on January 24, 2018, 08:00:07 PM

so for example you want to buy real estate and you need a loan, this needs government approval.

No, you don't.

Quote from: cellard on January 24, 2018, 08:00:07 PM

How can Bitcoin ever reach that point of acceptance by a government if ultimately Bitcoin is disruptive against all states and governments?

Where did you get that idea from?
Look at what Japan did.

Quote from: cellard on January 24, 2018, 08:00:07 PM

Or can Bitcoin be money even if it can only be used as a gold substitute?

Actually this is one tricky question now that I think about it....
From my point of view as long as it used to pay for goods and services and accepted by somebody it qualifies as money and I don't really see BTC right now being used as a gold substitute only and more "also like a gold substitute"