Quote from: Bitcoinorama on August 11, 2013, 05:48:20 PM

Quote from: KS on August 11, 2013, 05:28:33 PM

Quote from: Bitcoinorama on August 11, 2013, 05:14:10 PM

Quote from: KS on August 11, 2013, 04:57:59 PM

Quote from: Bitcoinorama on August 11, 2013, 04:15:26 PM

Quote from: KS on August 11, 2013, 04:10:18 PM

@Bitcoinorama: did you ever get in touch with a lawyer re the section 75 consumer/commercial application? That would be really useful for UK ppl. (It's good you have your CC rep phone call recorded, but it's not really conclusive/binding).

No, and why would a company representative in their own legal/fraud department telling me to go ahead with a sale to be delivered at a future point in time outside of Paypal's own 45day protection not be conclusive?

Even if section 75 doesn't apply, they have stated they will uphold my purchase protection, which is why I have stated call and check with your card issuing bank, as I had read somewhere that third party payment processors such as Paypal and Amazon negate the Section 75 cover.

This is not about PP, CC, KNCMINER.

I would like to know about the clause stipulating that you are buying the equipment as a business vs as a consumer, given you want to be protected under s75 while *knowingly* infringing on the T&C's.

So it's like this: are the T&C's superseded by s75 or not? (i.e. can you disregard the article stipulating the commercial use of the device?)

Yes, and no according to the links below, will need to go through the KnC T&C's.

I realise you have been harping on about this without getting you hands dirty. I also appreciate you tried your best to stop KnC raising funds originally, to disappear for a sabbatical, to come back once they have removed all doubts of them being a genuine company and kick up FUD with the aim to discredit them. I just do not know your underlying reasons why. I also understand you invested in bulk Avalon chips, which offered no protection, be it consumer or statutory, so I don't know why this appears to be such an issue for you, perhaps you can clear this up. I mean no ill feeling towards anyone, and I'm genuinely upset for those of you who have been mistreated by Bitsyncom. I did not see what's occurred happening, as they truly did appear to be a safe bet.

In any case if you were that bothered about business to business sales and the recent revision of our statutory rights mid-June you would have googled it;

http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/england/consumer_e/consumer_problems_with_business_to_business_services_e/consumer_protection_for_businesses.htm

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/draft-consumer-rights-bill

How do you know if the contract takes away your statutory rights?

If the person who sold you the goods or services has taken away your statutory rights, there should be something in your contract about this. For example, it might say the seller isn't responsible for goods that are unsatisfactory, don't match their description or aren't fit for purpose. Or it might say that the seller isn't responsible for any loss you've suffered because of their lack of care or skill. This type of content in a contract is called an exclusion clause.

I think you're obsessed.

Which part of "this is not about PP, CC, KNCMINER" did you not understand?

You have been blabbering about s75 for months while NEVER actually checking out the facts with ppl who actually deal with such issues (like... lawyers).

*I* did. And, contrary to what could possibly happen in the UK if it were to be, ever, confirmed by a lawyer, the "consumer" argument you've been beating like a dead horse does NOT apply in Belgium, which means your CC (mine if it were the case) will likely tell you (me) to fuck off if you (I) presented them with a claim (because you forfeited your consumer rights).

This also applies, believe it or not, to ALL the companies [that are not KNCMINER] that stipulate those terms in their T&C's.

Now, you've obviously no interest in actually finding a lawyer to check this out. Explain that.
(and try to stop putting irrelevant links that show you don't really understand the issue, it's not helping)

Ok as you try your hardest, please how do links detailing the UK Government's specific stance on this exact subject from the official UK Government website fail to help, and show I don't understand the issue? All I've shown is that I can uncover information you've been trying to use against KnC for months whilst picking holes in every aspect of them, their team, their site etc. in a matter of minutes.

Why couldn't you? Oh you didn't want to.

Why do you care so much about the business dealings of a company you have no interest in committing any funds to? Especially when there are so many shadier alternatives actively behaving irresponsible on this site right now.

Why would you, as consumer protection is of such huge importance to you, chose to support a purchase that has no consumer protection and involved financing through a non-protected, and at the time non-recognised currency? Shouldn't you be more concerned about the whereabouts of your own money/delayed product?

Congrats, you're back on ignore. I don't know why I ever believe you have everyone's best interest at heart KS, what's the real underlying motive, eh?

My god you're an idiot.

You link to B2B info and Gov *drafts* and other assessments for consumers. Those are not laws, you doofus, and the B2B link is irrelevant. Which just goes to show you're generally talking out of your backside.

I'm raising a *specific* issue and you reply with *generic* drivel, why you've spent a whole lot of 30secs googling! How terribly responsible of you!

Thank you for putting me on ignore, I hope that'll spare me your useless "wall'o words" replies. FFS.