Quote from: Raiku WanGS on January 29, 2018, 06:39:54 AM

i have nothing to do with Symmetry fund. i took over the Telegram channel to help prevent people from getting scammed.

Suspected that might be the case after I posted, so if a channel gets deleted anyone can register one with the same name?

Quote from: Raiku WanGS on January 29, 2018, 06:39:54 AM

thier ether account.
https://etherscan.io/address/0xbEadA3257BFf2d41eF6e563190e6624B57eAcc89

look where all the coins get transferred to they go through a few wallets but end up.

https://etherscan.io/address/0xb3aaaae47070264f3595c5032ee94b620a583a39

check the comments against this wallet.

Interesting, and valid point... although the comments suggest that address has been associated with phishing scams. I haven't contributed to the ICO myself, but is it possible that the contribution system has been compromised by a hacker?

Quote from: rijnsent on January 29, 2018, 10:20:17 AM

Thanks to bootlegneurons to point out some of the weaker spots in my list of Big Red Flags, but it's still a SCAM. Let's assume for a second you're not part of this scammers team, in that case I'd like to thank you for help me improving my skills to find a next scam.

Definitely not part of the team - SYMM has just been on my radar and I was planning to invest because it looked promising. Just trying to do due diligence and clear up some points. We're on the same team.

Quote from: rijnsent on January 29, 2018, 10:20:17 AM

Vlad a speaker? A pity they don't mention him on their site: https://www.bitcoinsuperconference.com/speakers/ , I bet you all the SYMMs I have that I will get feedback from that conference that they don't know any Vlad Savochkin.

Yeah, he's not listed, so I emailed them directly at organizer@bitcoinsuperconference.com to ask, and got a reply from a Richard Jacobs from Speakeasy Marketing confirming his attendance.

Quote from: rijnsent on January 29, 2018, 10:20:17 AM

You totally got me on the Cayman Island registry vs Chamber of Commerce, I might consider striking it of my list and getting myself a free account next time. But then, you could have sent my this official paperwork too

: http://loophole4all.com/?id_i=82395&id_e=63594&company=SYMM+LTD.

Haha... I think there's a slight difference with your site! But I see your point, it's probably easy enough to register a company if you're a scammer.

Quote from: rijnsent on January 29, 2018, 10:20:17 AM

Andrew Lewin does exits... Thanks for the link to that Financial Services Register. Did you however expand the block at the bottom? That Andrew Lewin has worked for e.g. Royal Bank of Canada and Kleinsworth Benson bank. That is a 100% mismatch with the profile that the "Andrew Lewin" of Symmetry has given, it's a different person.

Good catch, thanks for pointing that out.

Quote from: TheLazyCryptoInvestor on January 29, 2018, 10:49:27 AM

To all here who still believe it is not a scam. I suggest to wait after ico ended and buy it on the open market afterwards or wait for the second round to invest. You might pay a bit more for it if it turns out te be legit, but it saves you money if it is not.

^ Very good idea. I'm sure a managed fund style of token isn't going to trade at much of a premium over its NAV.

Thanks for the replies everyone. Some good counter-arguments. The company/team directly involved could certainly be scammers, but I also wonder if they might be innocent and have been hacked somehow? It's certainly worrying that they haven't addressed these allegations directly and have shut down their communication channels instead of tackling the situation head-on or releasing a press statement though.

I think I will wait until it hits an exchange (if that ever happens).