Quote from: Torque on January 30, 2018, 02:46:51 AM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on January 30, 2018, 02:37:59 AM

Actually, you act like I am dumb and I don't know that there is preparations and various kinds of groups that are manipulating and planning,

But you seem to take great pleasure in trying to condescend and smack down anyone who points that out... other than yourself.

I am sorry that you read my tone or assertiveness as condescending... I feel that I am just throwing in a few strong arguments here or there and a few assertions of ridiculous that amounts to my opinion. Each of us have our styles, and aspects of your numerology and fatalism wrapped up in conspiracy theories triggers my attention.

Of course, each of us have perspectives, and you do tend to provide a lot of good angles and assessments and food for thought, but sometimes, it seems to me that you have gone over the deep end.. whether temporary or just some thing(s) in your posts strike me.

Quote from: Torque on January 30, 2018, 02:46:51 AM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on January 30, 2018, 02:37:59 AM

but you seem to frequently attempt to make the matter as if everyone is coordinating amongst each other - as if the future is inevitable... blah blah blah...

I don't actually. I don't believe the future of Bitcoin is already decided. I just believe that whenever the Bitcoin market starts to act irrational, like the entire fkn year of 2017, then I know that there's more going on than what seems on the surface.

Yeah... of course, there is manipulation and plots going on, and sometimes that manipulation and plots are just some folks taking advantage of a situation that they just figured out or quickly forming a unlikely bed partners alliance, but it does not mean that the unlikely bed partners were planning since January when maybe they just each started coordinating in a similar direction - ten months later, in October

Quote from: Torque on January 30, 2018, 02:46:51 AM

Or in past years when out of nowhere Bitcoin started pumping to the moon for no explicable reason... there's no doubt in my mind that the pumpers already had the subsequent "crash" planned out ahead of time (e.g., 0day exploit, exchange hack, Mt.Gox DDoS, "China Bans Bitcoin", Mt.Gox insolvency, etc.)

Of course, that stuff can be happening, because manipulators are going to take advantage of coordinated events or even announce new FUD when the other FUD has already hit in order to attempt to maximize the movement in their direction, but it still does not necessarily mean that they were coordinating with each other even though one may have known about the other and one may have known more and another may have had more insider information than another. And, yeah, sure sometimes there is more manipulation and coordination than we may have known about, but it still does not make the whole fucking thing into a manipulated plan... because some of these dumb ass manipulators lose control too. Do you think the dumb ass manipulators wanted prices to go above $500 in May 2016... probably not.... They also probably did not want the price to go above $10k in November 2017... but sometimes they just have no fucking ability to control it and then they have to wait for it to settle down again to attempt to apply some of their manipulation tools again. So, yeah, I hardly disagree with you about manipulation taking place, it is just the enormity of the supposed coordination coming out of your keyboard that seems to go beyond the pale, from time to time. Jesus, meesus!!!! Tongue

Quote from: Torque on January 30, 2018, 02:46:51 AM

We saw it happen in the alt market too: ETH pumped to the moon just a month or two before the DAO hack/exploit happened.

But of course you can stick your head in the sand and think whatever you want though. I care not.

Of course, manipulation is going on, and even moreso in alts, and you do care, so stop saying that you don't or you will make me sad. Cry