Quote from: raizhur19 on January 30, 2018, 11:35:32 AM

Quote from: Parodium on December 02, 2017, 10:27:41 PM

I'm a Scientist, have been for most of my life. I have NEVER believed in a supreme being, despite going to Catholic schools my entire life.

I'd like to know.... What is it that compels you to believe in God? How can you argue for his existence? Please bare the following in mind when you answer;

1. There are literally thousands of religions, each of which has members that believe just as firmly as you do, they say they feel a personal connection with God, they have their own religious books and doctrines etc, if you were born in Saudi Arabia, you would be a muslim, in Ireland you would be a protestant, seems like the place you are born denotes your religion, rather than divine intervention. Obviously you can't all be right, so how do you know YOU are.

2. Most religions state that God is all-powerful, all-knowing, all-loving, all-present and eternal. If this is the case, why are people punished for sins by an all loving God, who predestined them to commit their sins by knowing the future? Why is there bone cancer in Children, and insects that burrow into the eyes of infants making them blind, could an all loving God not have imagined a reality without this? And why is there such overwhelming evidence AGAINST the existence of a creator?

3. Since the scientific era God has slowly receded into the shadows, God used to be held responsible for most things, e.g. people offered sacrifices for good health, prayed for rain, thought that God pulled the sun across the sky, created plagues etc. Now we know he does none of these, and God has been reduced to a "God of the gaps" whereby he is still attributed to things we cannot yet explain with science, doesn't seem very powerful anymore.

I'll try to respond to the major points in this thread attempting to dismantle them.

My best example is the book of life or our DNA. Our dna is composed of billions of instructions that commands how you will look like, hair color, eyes, shape of face, height and many more. Its so detailed that it cant be possibly made from accident, or just happened over the course of time. For example a book will not just fall from the sky and form its letters, shapes, color and compose comprehensible words in english or any other language. If you think that's possible you're silly. In the end just ask yourself this, can nothing create something? or can something come out of nothingness? There always will be a greater force than all of us, than all of the universe that made everything happen.

You say can nothing create something, and yet you ignore the fact that your God must have come from nothing.

Your reasoning is fatally flawed, humans evolved by sequential adaptation, like a stacking process of adding and remove pieces of an organic puzzle. Over millions of years this process leads to complex systems such as humans, yes, this process is remarkably unlikely to occur, nobody denies that. But there are also trillions of worlds in the universe which did NOT undergo these steps, we are, as far as we know alone in the universe. Of course, the fact that we exist allows us to perceive ourselves, it allows us to acknowledge our own rarity. However, do not mistake that for evidence of a creator, that is a bias of reason, to assume we are created, is to assume all those other planets were left barren by that same creator.