Quote from: J603 on August 14, 2013, 06:44:16 PM

Quote from: Bitware on August 14, 2013, 05:57:06 PM

Quote from: J603 on August 13, 2013, 01:13:41 PM

Your conspiracy theories about how banks control the world and about how "the man" is going to get us is not evidence. You necroed this post just to bring up the same evidence you had years ago, which is nothing. I have not only proven that a war with Iran makes no sense, but I have also proven that the US is no more a warmonger than any other country.

Also, how do the banks profit from the US' demise? Did the Weimar Republic's banks benefit from WWI?

The allies were hit with demands from the bankers who funded Germany. That is the rule in warfare. The winner pays the bills of the loser, else the banks will fund their destruction as well, just as Rothschild did for England and France which ended at Waterloo, where Rothschild manipulated the market with the first intelligence of the battle outcome from his network of spies. You see, the banks funded both England and France, but they funded England more so they had a better chance of winning. In weimar/germany, the allies needed to recoup because they were already poor from depression and war, so we overtook all industry, forcing massive taxation and inflation. Took wheelbarrow-fulls of cash to buy a meal. People would get paid at lunch and take off work immediately to spend it all because the value of their paper was decreasing exponentially, daily.

The german banks benefited by being the conduits that wealth flowed through back to the bankers who funded the loans for the war, which the allies were not responsible for, plus all that nice juicy high interest on the loan (25%-35%).

Thats the basic cribnotes version, but the same thing happened many times before then, and still does to this very day. Heck, its how cash we have in our pockets is created, but instead of a loan for war, its a treasury bond - a loan on the full faith and credit of the nation wanting to print it.

Here's what I know of the war and the aftermath:

The German banks gave out a ton of loans during the war to pay for weapons and such. The government did not tax the people very much extra during the war because they believed that they would win in the end, and that they could get reparations from the Triple Entente when the war was over.

Of course, even if militarily the Germans were winning, they conceded to the Entente and thus had to pay reparations. This caused those loans to backfire, because they were so excessive that the people could not afford to pay both the Entente and the banks.* The Germans had been relying on their victory, which while stupid, is to be expected as they had won on the eastern front and were "winning" on the western as well.

*Now, there's debate on whether or not Germany could actually pay back these loans. The Entente gave three categories for repayment: A, B, and C. C by far had the most money owed, but it didn't matter because the Entente did not expect the Germans to be able to repay it. It was more propaganda for the French public. A and B were a combined total of 50 million marks, 1 million less than what Germany had wanted to pay. With the loans there is an extra burden, but it should not have been as hard as the Germans made it be.

Germany refused to have high taxes on its people (due to the people and the government's refusal to believe that they lost), and for the most part, was paying its reparations (while industry increased, even under occupation) until 1922, when the French pulled out of Dusseldorf. With no incentive to keep paying, Germany defaulted on reparations or simply paid less, causing the value of the mark to plummet as Germany's credit took a hit.

The hyperinflation still had not taken effect, although it was in the works. Instead, it was the occupation of the Ruhr which caused Germany to not care, and the government began printing money to pay off of the "expenses" of the occupation (even though there was barely a change in profits).

Germany never repaid those reparations until fairly recently (they paid back WWII reparations before WWI reparations) so it's safe to say that those banks did not get their money back.

TL;DR

-German banks make loan
-People default/can't pay
-German government screws the mark
-German banks lose

Also, when you say "Allies" do you mean the Triple Alliance? Or are you referring to the Entente by the name they would have in WWII?

You have to understand the differences between the connected cabal of international bankers and all other banks. Not all banks are the same.

Imagine if you opened tons of banks in every nation to compete against their small private banks. You have a worldwide network and they just have themselves, plus you have more resources to lobby legislators to pen-in the laws your people wrote that gives you loopholes to hop through.