Quote from: fumble on August 16, 2013, 02:00:58 AM

Quote from: empoweoqwj on August 15, 2013, 09:11:19 AM

just to quote what you said:

"(ASICMINER) have created thousands and thousands of pissed off customers that thought they were going to "print money" but got taken to the cleaners"

AM didn't tell them they were going to "print money", the customers didn't do their due diligence. Not AM's fault.

Presumably all these thousands and thousands of "pissed off" customers won't come back, and that will be the end of AM's hardware sales. Or perhaps they will sell out in days again?

I'm just struggling to understand why you are having a go at AM? They made no false promises with their products, did not guarantee or even suggest any returns, simply put a product out there that people couldn't get enough of. Nobody forced anyone to buy them. People want mining equipment now, not vaporware that may appear or may not appear.

If people can't use a ROI investment calculator then they shouldn't be in this business. Again, their responsibility, not AM's.

Again with the defensiveness?!?

I never said AM told people anything. Stop reading me as an attack and perhaps you will understand. I never stated AM is responsible for the foolishness of others. I said they are taking advantage of them. This is great for the shareholders and re-sellers. Not the miners.

Yes thousands but there are thousands more waiting in line to get burned (for now). I just don't think its a long term business model as the number of fools will eventually run out and then it will become a problem for AM. Unless the business plan is "take the money and run". It does not promote bitcoin in a positive way.

By your logic, people still fall for Nigerian 419 scams deserve to be scammed. Before you get all defensive again. MY POINT AGAIN IS PEOPLE ARE STUPID AND FOOLS ARE BORN EVERY SECOND. Do you really expect people to use proper ROI investment calculators? Seriously?

This is constructive criticism for them to contemplate, not an attack. If you don't want to listen, then I can't help you. If I were a shareholder I would be concerned about this.

Cheers.

Cool. But businesses all over the world charge "what they can get away with". That includes AM, Apple, Microsoft. That's what business is in this capitalist world.

I am not being defensive. I am defending the right of a company to put out a product at a price THEY CHOOSE and see if it sells. Comparing them to Nigerian scammers is sad.

As people have pointed out in many threads, there are lots of reasons people have bought these things, not just for the ROI, or lack of it.

Shareholders should not be concerned about whether the last model sold out in a few minutes. They should be concerned if the next batch gets sold at a profit or sits on AM's shelves gathering dust. We have yet to see that. But presumably if they sell out again, you will yet again have a bitch about AM and how they are "taking advantage" of people that can't use calculators.

You have a very patronising attitude towards other people's purchasing decisions. Or perhaps you just bought some USB sticks and were pissed off when they didn't make the money back?