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Belgrade, Serbia

Hi,
I offer you 1600,-$ a pcs, since this is the correct pricing at the moment.
1720,-$ With PSU pr pcs.
I will arrange Pick-up with TNT.
Please send a picture with your username at Bitcoin Talk with the miners....Safety :-)

Just curious, where are you getting $1,720 from? Bitmain's March batch price for S9 alone was $2,320. They sold out immediately and the buyer pays shipping and customs. If you're buying on this site, you are probably getting same day shipping.

Yes...that was then...this is now. Metrics are drastically different. 1- those buyers made a very foolish purchase. 2- these units are down to $10.00 per day. I have bought many S9's over the years and never paid more than $1500 when the metrics were as they are now. Many of those at $1250.00. Things change very quickly in this world. There is about to be a Sea of these units entering the market. Most of those selling them, paid way too much for the units. In the very near future S9's will be selling for $1200.00 per unit no PSU. There are 3 products on the Bitmain page right now for sale that have been there for days. 1 is the L3+. 3 weeks ago you could sell an L3+ in this forum for $4500.00 very quickly. Today....not so much.

I must respectfully disagree with your opinion. And here's why. It is a known fact that Bitmain oversold their D3 product. People were seeing upwards of $300/day profit while there was hype around the release. By the time the last D3's were delivered, the profit was lower than $2/day. What did people do? They started panic selling their D3s on the internet, for as low as $500. The fear in the market was so bad, some guy posted a video of throwing his D3 to a fire. What has happened to the D3 profitability since then? It has come up (albeit a little relatively), and return on investment is still in sight. And if you bought in for $500, my guess is that you're going to make a pretty penny off of someone else's fear. But, you cannot make a ROI if you get scared and cut off your miners based on current metrics. Manufacturers know when a market is oversaturated and will not produce more if it cuts into their own profits. Historically, my ASIC miners have always returned a profit. I expect that to be no different. What I do know is that with fiat pullbacks in the market, other miners get out every time and coin revenue shoots higher. I agree that basing your purchasing decisions on current HIGH USD profitability of ASICs is dumb because that is when the manufacturers known the most demand is available. Because of that common sentiment, Bitmain cannot sell S9s when USD profitability is low. It is a cyclical market. If you are a cryptocurrency bull, then you buy miners when there is a pullback in fiat value knowing that your coin revenue will be higher. And a justification for a lower price point on an S9 by saying "oh look where the current metrics are," would be just as foolish for a seller to believe as a buyer that buys when profitability is high. I believe that if you buy an S9 right now while the market is pulling back at FMV and next day shipping, your numbers are going to look fantastic in 6 months. Buying at 40% off FMV is taking advantage of someone else's fear and the buyer is the one that is doing the scamming. A seller could easily make that money back if they have the infrastructure to run it. Just my 2satoshis.

I'm confused. Looking that I would have to say you are agreeing with me. You just have the timing wrong. Buying S9's will surely be a good idea at some point, but NOT at over $2,000.00. S9's have only recently sold for over 2k for the first time in the last 3 months. You also don't take into account the gargantuan reseller purchases that are floating out there that will NEVER be sold at a profit. THAT's what brought D3's to bargain prices. NOT miners selling them. It was stupid reseller speculators out for a quick buck. It is repeating in the L3+ and the S9 markets now. If you're paying 2k plus for a late cycle technology ASIC to make $8.00 per day, well then you're just not very bright.
I can tell you're relatively new at this as you completely overlook a dynamic will is singlehandedly destroying your premise. Due to the hardware glut, Difficulty is going UP while asset prices are going DOWN. Your other fatal mistake is you aren't aware of the ensuing 10nm tech and massive ASIC production competition on the horizon. But that's okay. You go ahead and scoop up all the $2500.00 S9's you can. There is a very real reason Bitmain is cleaning out all their inventory and dumping it on the market. They are spooling up for new releases. By the way, you are not using the term "ROI" correctly. You've got a LOT of learning to do. Get to it.