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Quote from: ArminH on February 07, 2018, 09:14:30 PM

This is the funniest project ever.
A German company that doesn't allow German investors Cheesy

Of course they never would have got the permission from German authorities, but not even trying.... Cheesy

I've visited the 1st container in Berlin, it's just a bad joke.
They promise a fixed profit, which is just another joke.
The first exchange where it's listed is HitBTC! I can't stop laughing....

Why funny project? The fact that it doesn't allow German investors is not Envion fault - it's because the German laws. I like the fact that it's a security token instead of utility token, even if there are some disadvantages like not allowing German investors.
Why the container was a bad joke? The've got something to show at least, most of the ICO's don't have anything before the crowdsale.
The profit is not fixed, it should be increasing with reinvestments - even better.
And the Exchanges - HitBTC is just a start i believe, you also have EtherDelta, more to come..
I think it's a great project

Well, I guess you invested and I don't wanna ruin your investment. As you can imagine I never invested and never will.

It's just my opinion. From a technological point of view the container is worthless (bad hash rate) and I don't think it will survive many transports, so they will have huge maintenance. But you are right, it's just the first one, maybe they get better.
Another point is the German electricty cartel, which isn't confined to price rigging (as usual), they do really weird things, e.g. water plants that produce electricty during daytime and then pump the water back during the night when electricity is cheap. Most of them are just not willing to sell their electricty cheaper, even if they lose more many when shutting down the plant. Same in France, Austria and many others.

And how can they guarantee a profit? What if market drops, like it did in the last weeks? What do you think where the money comes from?

Don't get me wrong, I would love to see such a project succeed, because electricity is always a refutation when you talk about crypto currencies. I just don't believe in this Wink

And even if they don't succeed, you can make money with it, so keep calm Cheesy

I don't get your points - but you clearly did not go to the Envion Investor Meeting in late November. It just looks like you try to spread a bit FUD to grab some Envion Tokens cheaper. The moment I put my hand into the mining unit - that was filled up from top to bottom with hardware - I was blown away because of the (low) temperature inside.

The thing that you thinking that the MMU's just gonna stand around in Germany with our expensive power proves that you don't have knowledge - there is a market for renewable energy that is starving for a consumer to push the aggressive construction for new renewable energy power plants.

No I haven't been to the investor meeting, because I'm not an investor. I only visited the container in Berlin, as already mentioned.
Why should I spread FUD? And sorry, but this is a kids argument, cause only kids think a board comment will influence price Wink

I work for an energy supplier in Germany and I guess I have a good understanding of the market. I know that there are similar conditions in many other european countries. So you want to say that they transport the container to Asia or Africa? And you think this is efficient?

I would love to hear a reasonable answer, not only accusing others.

You gave some very valid points there, please ignore the guy that accuses you of spreading FUD (lol?). I share some of these concerns that you have mentioned, which is why I haven't participated in this ICO.

Is there a detail plan anywhere published by the team of Envion that shows us where exactly are they with the MMUs and where they plan to plug them in, how long do they plan to keep them there, etc?