Quote from: knightlife999 on August 25, 2013, 07:54:49 AM

Quote from: Silvas on August 25, 2013, 07:34:21 AM

Quote from: knightlife999 on August 25, 2013, 01:31:44 AM

Member of Silent Majority here:

When you get right down to it, you guys just want to complain. I'm sure that when you get your boards, you'll complain about the quality of the packing material used or some such other bs.

Everyone that is on the fence about this: don't listen to these guys who say that we should all get refunds immediately. Not only would it cause great problems for TH, more importantly, it will harm everyone else who is waiting patiently for their boards.

Everyone that is on the fence about this: don't listen to ANYONE. Do not listen to anyone telling you to get a refund, and do not listen to anyone telling you to stick it out.
Make the decision for yourself based upon the information out there, what you feel it means for you, your risk tolerance and what you feel is right.

Look this is a business transaction, and should be treated as such. You were offered the chance to purchase a piece of equipment for a certain price, and you decided to avail yourself of that opportunity.
Bringing emotions into a business transaction is bad business. A business transaction should be conducted with logic and information - information on the past, present, and indicators of where the future is likely to go.
TH did not do this out of the goodness of their hearts, or to do the community a favor, or any other such emotion based reason. They did it to make a profit.
You did not purchase to help TH make money, or out of the goodness of your heart, or to help someone else get a paycheck. You did it because you wanted merchandise, and the price was acceptable to you.

You started out the transaction on a logical basis, keep it that way and make your own decisions. Don't allow anyone, regardless of which side they're on, tell you which to do. It's not their place to do so.
It's funny that the pro-th side bitches about a few people saying people should get refunds, and then does the same bloody thing for their side.

Fair statements Silvas.

I would note that I did tell people who wanted to get a refund to go ahead and do it. I'm just against people who are advocating that everyone refund en masse.

I've only seen (although it's quite possible I've missed others) 1 person advocating en masse refunds, and I don't know that will have much impact on people's decisions. For my part, I've been very careful to say I'm not telling anyone else to stick it out or get a refund. Yes, I have been vocal about the things I feel or flat out know TH has done wrong and I've tried to be clear as to why I feel this is no longer a viable transaction; but I've done so for the sake of putting the information out there, both factual and opinion, not to try to sway people to jump ship but to let them take the information and do with it what they will - ignore it, consider it, interpret it etc.