Quote from: Inaba on August 27, 2013, 10:04:10 PM

Quote from: Dalkore on August 27, 2013, 05:36:28 PM

First off, regardless of if any of those observations are true, you being a representative of the company would never admit it. Why waste our time there, you are paid to not hold any of those views regardless of validity of lack there of.

On the contrary, I started out as a miner and was, while not equally skeptical of BFL in the beginning as some people, indeed quite skeptical. I have been a big open source advocate and support the "community" both in and out side of bitcoin. I am on the side of the miners, not on the side of business. Believe it or not, I advocate the miners perspective inside the company here. However, with that position I also have to weigh that against the best interests of the business and find a balance that both sides can live with (note, I do not say are happy with. As someone said, though I can't recall to whom I should attribute the quote, Twain perhaps and I'm paraphrasing regardless "A successful negotiation is where both parties leave unhappy.") and allow the business to continue to function and grow.

I suspect I might be able to anticipate your response to this, but perhaps not... so I'll leave it there for now.

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Here has been my issued and it ties into and fits with your business model from my perspective. I have been around the block and I know how many dominate players act. It is about trying to corner the ASIC market and be a monopoly. I do hold and still hold that BFL intentionally announced their ASIC line with grossly overstated delivery schedules with mostly the sole reason to chill competition in the space. I support this chilling effect by the fact you not only gave a timeline that was 10 months off the mark but also the specifications you gave made it best in class just like your FPGA line. With the large upfront costs that go into developing an ASIC, if you would of actually delivered on time, it would of greatly reduced any ongoing competition because of BFL ability to raise the difficulty level faster than anyone else so that if you could continue to do that you would push people to develop on increasing more expensive chip sizes.

Ok, lets grant your position for a minute as being true and look at it from that perspective. As a business entity acting in it's own best interest, why would a business not do that if it were a way to ensure it's own survival? If that were an effective tactic (and you say it is, so I'll take your word on it), to not use it and allow competition to consume your marketshare would be incredibly stupid. Why would you expect a business to act in a manner that is directly in conflict with it's own continued existence? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

The reality is, though, that the timeline and specs that were offered were believed to be true at the time. If I were around at the time, I would have pushed for a more extended timeline with more flexibility, just like I am pushing for the Monarch now. I am not the final say in this company by any means, my word carries weight but it does not carry the day when that day ends. I am an advocate for the miner here within BFL, but I'm also aware of the needs of business, which most, if not all, of the detractors are completely oblivious to or just do not want to acknowledge.

You speak of change, and that's great. But the cost of that change is the insolvency at worst or severely deteriorating business. There is no business in this market that can operate in the altruistic manner you appear to want. BFL is not a charity or a non-profit organization, it's a for profit business. Acting against that would be nonsensicle and once people finally come to accept and understand that bitcoin is now a business and not some pie-in-the-sky dream of libertarians (much to their chagrin, I'm sure), perhaps the fervor and irrationality may die down a bit, but that day is probably a long way off. But just because the world isn't the way you want the world to be (I'm using the royal "you" here, not you specifically) is not an excuse for you to be an asshat on the internet. It's those people I do not care for or respect.

Quote from: Inaba on August 26, 2013, 07:37:55 PM

Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on August 26, 2013, 07:35:46 PM

Said the guy that I just proved to, showing that Josh/BFL lies.

Oh? Care to provide a single shred of proof that I've lied? There's not a single person here that's been able to back up this claim, yet I've demonstrated it through your own posts multiple times that you're a liar.

Quote from: BFL_Josh on September 10, 2012, 10:39:19 PM

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Quote from: LazyOtto on September 10, 2012, 10:25:29 PM

Quote from: BFL_Josh on September 10, 2012, 10:12:15 PM

Who has deleted posts before? Certainly not me.

Do you really want to take that position, BFL_Josh, also AKA ?

Perhaps BFL_Josh has never altered history. But absolutely has in the context of BFL communications.
(Search for "memory hole" and folks can find one of my follow-ups where this happened.)

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I remember what I've read. And I've read all the BFL related threads starting with the Fall 2011 BFL one's.

I recognize that you're new to BFL corporate membership, but there is a *lot* of history to overcome before BFL has a good reputation.

Absolutely I want to take that position. That accusation is pretty serious, please provide a link where I strategically deleted any information I've posted as either Inaba or BFL_Josh. Once again, people are acting like it's a secret that I have two accounts; It's not. In my capacity as a representative of BFL, I post as BFL_Josh, for other things, I post as Inaba.

But in both cases, I don't hide what I write or strategically delete/alter anything. I've been accused of that in the past by certain members of this forum, but when the chips were down it was shown those individuals lied and any accusations they made were completely fabricated just to support their weak and untenable position. There's a feature of the forum if you use the default skin where it says when the message was last edited... so please be careful what you accuse me of, because I can prove you wrong if you are just making things up. If there some place that I strategically deleted something, please point it out as I have no recollection of it and it would be an error on my part.

BTW, that guy I mention yesterday... you know... the one that was so kind to send BFL bitcoins for a product... Well, it looks like the question he asked yesterday has yet to be addressed my you, or anybody else over a t BFL.

To refresh your memory, it's a post on BFL's forum that I'm in reference to, shown below and linked here: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/monarch-discussion/4533-so-bfl-who-first-batch-monarch.html#post54429

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So, BFL, who is in the first batch for the Monarch

The other companies point when a batch is sold out so that noone could buy a product that is actually ... sold out. But you no. Why? I transferred my 2 singles to 2 monarchs on 18.08 in the morning. Because you launched the pre-orders on Saturday and you didn't accept Paypal and I actually need your product to make such amount of btc to pay for your product but I still don't have neither of your products ( it sounds like catch 22...) I couldn't pay with BTC. And because you announced it on the early week-end no bank wire was possible (at least in Europe). Even the online bank transfers start on Monday. So I made the payment on Monday. You received the money 2-3 day later, my status is changed to processing and I have an order date of 18.08.

So my humble question is - am I in the first batch? I accepted the Agreement between you and me and I accepted "finally", "irreversible", without no refund and without possible future cancellation (the cancel option was added later) to transfer my money to the monarch. I think that almost 3000$ is enough for an earnest. I paid the rest of the sum on the first possible day - 19.08 - Monday. There was no other possible faster way to pay. So can I believe that I am in the first batch? Because it would look surrealistic if you say that the whole batch is sold out on the first day...

I'm well aware that to you, Josh, $5,000 isn't a very large sum, thus your probable reason for not yet addressing the loyal BFL customer, but maybe, just maybe, that $5,000 meant a whole lot more to him.

Please see what you can do for that guy. Don't you, COO of BF Labs Inc., owe him at least that much respect? At the very least, tell him to post over here on this forum, similar to what you told that other guy yesterday on BFL's forum. We all loved that one!

Then again, what the fuck do I know about business. For all we know, the business practice you/BFL practice is the new norm, hence you kindly coming here to learnt us monumental assholes, of which we kindly say, "Thank you, Josh Zerlan, for allowing us to hear your sacred words. Hollowed be thy name!"