Quote from: Lovecove on February 14, 2018, 09:41:35 AM

Quote from: editfmah on February 14, 2018, 09:25:26 AM

Quote from: Lovecove on February 14, 2018, 09:01:30 AM

Quote from: bebopTC on February 14, 2018, 06:19:15 AM

There seems to be a lot of confusion/misinformation spreading around but hopefully I can clarify some things.

1. We turned 2 months on Jan 9th, about 4 days ago.
2. No ICO, no premine, no funding of any kind. All devs and contributors are volunteers though we try our best to reward appropriately with TurtleCoin for everyone's hard work. We announced the coin on a popular and well known privacy forum. Word spread immediately.
3. The updated versions are not 'random' or 'emergency updates' scrambling in the fae of immature code. A security vulnerability that affects *many* cryptonotes was discovered, we fixed it and followed proper disclosure procedures. https://medium.com/@turtlecoin/mess-with-the-best-759c1fd230b1. We do not have a fixed release cycle, we roll out releases when we feel updates are sufficient and we continue to work to incrementally improve various pieces of the software such as difficulty calculation, user experience of simple wallet, correcting bugs, and security enhancements.
4. Neither TradeOgre or TradeSatoshi are in our control. TradeOgre has had some downtimes here and there but seems to come back reliably. Our dev team has worked with TradeSatoshi and provided updates to help address the issues. We apologize for the inconvenience but it is not in our control.
5. We are looking at getting added to some decentralized exchanges currently.

-Bebop

1. Ooookay, what is this? Turned 2 months 4 days ago on January 9? It's FEBRUARY 14! Or are you actually correcting editfmah, who is the co-lead dev, and apparently isn't aware of his own nascent project's release? My heavens. The shenanigans are apparent right from this thread.
2. If you don't allow any kind of funding, even donations from the community, how in all the bitcoin blazes will you ever get any exchange listing fees paid? Will you just expect Bittrex and Binance to list turtle of their own good spirit?
3. There's some drama around the cryptonite "hack" that involved admin betrayal. As stated aforementioned, I shant go into the details. But to my understanding, none of the other "cryptonite coins" shared your urgency. In fact, they simply ignored your requests for contact. Retrospectively, seems iffy that they were affected in the slightest. Sounds likely twas a turtlecoin problem that emergency PR tried to desensitize by making it a "cryptonite coin" problem. Fumble coding? And now you're trying to lump your emergency updates about balances not showing up as just part of a "routine update." You needed these two exchanges to update their turtlecoin software at least twice this week and that doesn't include the cryptonite debacle. We can read between the lines.
4. With a neutral viewpoint, we can't say whether these two exchanges are under your control. But, then again, you two are anonymous devs, who knows what control you have in the first place. Was TradeSatoshi even an exchange that the consensus voted on? Or did the lead devs simply abruptly shove a btc into tradesatoshi to get it listed without any sort of community feedback? Surely the decentralized exchanges you're working on being added are cheaper than TradeSatoshi, if not free. I'm not certain why you would single out tradesatoshi as the exchange of choice. Surely alternative, better known exchanges could've been chosen with that same listing fee.

But thanks for your clarification. Only begs more inquiries.

1 > What? Sorry not lead dev or co lead dev or anything of the sort. Didn't even start mining until mid January when I created my first wallet. Mainly because i'm a mac user, and I couldn't get the stack to compile in the early days, and I had other stuff on. Sure I was looking into a different type of coin with RockSteady before this one, but sadly (and it is a regret), I wasn't in as early as maybe I could have been.

3 > Yes the other coins don't care that you can shut down daemons remotely or make calls to transfer coins from wallets just openly and without any kind of security if you expose your rpc service to the internet, or pick up malware that will do the same. Sure, the answer is lock it down yourself, but some devs felt it was a security hole. Having researched what happened, someone on the discord gave their friend admin privileges, and they thought they would make a big splash announcement, then buy up the coins. It was hardly subversion of the highest kind.

I think an important note here, is that if you don't understand that this coin is a fork, and that mean sharing code with ByteCoin, and you don't understand how that (for 99.8% of the codebase) means the same faults, then you probably should not cast aspersions that this is a TurtleCoin fault.

Seriously, if you don't know anything about the problem, where it was, what it affected, how it was fixed? Then why would you post that sentence here, it pretty much tells us (and everyone reading this) what we need to know about your motivations. I try to remain civil, but this has become like arguing with a flat earther from the standpoint of total ignorance and ill-education.

As far as i'm aware, only one update was communicated to the exchanges, as they were already on the other "change of diff" codebase already, that was for other people running old 2.x.x software.

4 > There is nothing neutral about your viewpoint, your post is full on huge inaccuracies and stuff we read on the Discord channel that is anything but fact. I am hardly anonymous, any kind fo search of my username and you can find out who I am and where I live without any problem.

Trade satoshi was the one mentioned on Discord the most, at the time. In hindsight, maybe another one might have been better, maybe none at all, what is done is done.

1. ...You are seriously saying that out of the two lead devs who created turtlecoin, 0 of them made the Bitcointalk ANN. But you, who just admitted neither being a co-dev or anything of the sort. Let's put aside the OP turtlecoin announcement posted by you... You've been speaking authoratively on turtlecoin, as though writing in an official capacity. But when you're erroneous, you fall back on the position, oh hold on, I am not any sort of admin.. Exactly how much of a joke is turtle[Suspicious link removed]d thing you can skip out if it really does turn to uber shit, and a fortunate deed you weren't Rocksteady's co.
3. It's all just more excuses. It's a repeating occurrence with this coin, like some kind of doom oscillator. Bad things happen, credible excuses ensue.. How you're explaining admin betrayal that well, I don't know. I commend your PR abilities. Same with the cryptonite endeavor: Yes, we admit the other cryptonite coins didn't care. But that's because they're stupid. I'll lean toward the interpretation that this hack affected turtlecoin more, if not exclusively.
4. Lashing out desperately at me is a classic sign of weakness. Weakness of turtlecoin, weakness of the overall community, inter alia. I have not once thrown insults around, just made my observations, but the OP of the turtlecoin ANN is calling me a flat earther because of the exposure. Look around other ANN threads, I'm concisely confident none of their OPs have done the same toward "dissenters."

If you're that bothered by my observations, then it's a clear symptom of an inherent problem, perhaps even a technological one with turtle.

To not aggravate the issue, I'm taking a breather from this thread. No need for things to get ugly. I will still watch this project, hope the devs can pull their pants up and together.

Okay that is a fair point I should not have lost my cool and made a semi-personal attack on you after you basically rubbished mine and other devs contributions and called us liars, my mistake.

I am an admin, on here and on discord, i've known Rocksteady for about 8 months, we met over at Aeon. I just said I was not the lead or co-lead. I nominated myself to do the ANN, all open and public on the GitHub issues forum, you are welcome to check it out.

I am generally not bothered by your observations as they are not accurate, or are not relevant to our coin. Sure we didn't ICO, sure we didn't get investment. We are cool with that.

This has indeed turned snarky and not-professional again, so I too am happy to leave it, as I have code to write (shitty keyboard fumbles no doubt).