Quote from: CryptoSuperPanda on February 14, 2018, 01:36:39 PM

Quote from: kobo_eth on February 14, 2018, 11:18:07 AM

Quote from: CryptoSuperPanda on February 14, 2018, 07:10:44 AM

Hi everyone! Wink

I want to order S9 to Estonia. Bitmain site provides for 3 delivery options:
- UPS (39 USD/kg),
- Fedex (19 USD/kg),
- DHL (14 USD/kg).

With 5.5 kg weight of S9 this leads to
+ 215 USD for UPS
+ 105 USD for Fedex
+ 80 USD for DHL

Thus the total price of 1 S9 with APW3++ peaks more than 2 760 USD Cry

= 2 320 (Price of S9) + 215 (UPS delivery) + 105 (APW3++ price) + 120 (UPS delivery of APW3++)

Is this estimation correct? I can't believe delivery costs are that high Embarrassed

Are there any other delivery options? How you guys deliver S9 to your country? I believe delivery prices I pointed out are more or less the same across Europe.

This is European Union man, prices are identical. By the way this is your least problem, you should be more worried about the ~20% (depending on the country, but it is around that percentage) customs duties that you will have to pay upon delivery

Else said = 2 760 USD + 552 (20% taxes) = 3312 USD final price as compared to 2320 list price. This is what all we have all been paying for 1 machine in EU. If you notice unofficial European resellers, prices are even higher, so that they can be on profit.

Thx for response Kobo_eth! Kiss

Still can't believe in these numbers. Everyone in sources that I came through calculates payback period simply based on production price (2 320 USD) Grin

With 3 312 USD initial cost and 11.8 USD daily revenue (0.00127 BTC (Whattomine data as of now) * 9 300 (Coinmarketcap data as of now) = 11.8 USD) S9 will pay out itself in like 280 days and that's without taking into account complexity growth and risks of new Antminer release Shocked

Unfortunately those numbers seem to be assuming no pool fee and free electricity in addition to difficulty and new miners being released.

Most pools charge some sort of fee near 2% and electrical costs usually land somewhere around 10 cents per kilowatt. Assuming those numbers are factored in you're near 8 dollars without difficulty being factored in. Not bad, but there's more.

Difficulty is always going to go up and with a couple new miners being planned I suspect difficulty will only go up. In a couple difficulty periods at a rate of 5-10% the S9 will only be making half of what it is making now. Difficulty isn't linear, but this is just for estimation.

In an ideal world you're making your money back in 280 days, but that's not so for 99% of people. Unless BTC's price jumps up again you're probably not coming close to ROI- assuming the absolute best scenario at this current price point you'll make back just around $2000 a year. BTC may be volatile and prices might swing wildly every day, but you have no way of knowing what's next. Prices could go up just as easily as they could go down. It's pretty much a gamble each time you buy a miner from Bitmain as you have no way of seeing ROI info when you get the miner unless you have a crystal ball. You might be lucky, maybe not. Even with free electricity the S9 is still a questionable buy.