Quote from: btceic on August 28, 2013, 11:05:16 PM

Silvas, I know your really pissed right now (read your fu post in yifu's thread), I get that I really do, but these questions must be answered by Amir or Justin from terrahash, based upon the fact that yifu is now pushing everybody to a refund and has blamed the community for his fucked up business practices.

That answer that they gave was what 2 months ago? New conditions have arisen and they must be held accountable for their actions or lack thereof and commitments.

I am sorry for your loss and everybody else's but wtf do you think I have been trying to say all along?

Everybody was/is putting me on ignore or calling me a kid or an asshole or a whining loser or whatever because I was asking questions that I wasn't getting answers to, nor was anybody else for that matter.

Do you not see that terrahash is pulling the same shit as yifu? They don't even have a fully working k16 yet!

You guys should be up in fucking arms right now... A partial refund? Are you kidding me?

Oh don't get me wrong. I was just figuring you didn't realize that they actually gave this answer themselves.
As far as you saying it all along, I've been saying for awhile that this was going to go bad, and defending people wanting refunds against certain people here jacking off TH and saying they're committing fraud or being immoral by going after refunds.

Honestly, I don't see any way (unless TH has only their own money sunk into this and not pre-order money, which they've already admitted they used preorder money) for TH to give full refunds to everyone.
What I see happening is them offering partial refunds and saying they're so sorry but it's not their fault and it's beyond their control, and I see the usual suspects defending them on that, and continuing to refuse to acknowledge that using customers' preorder money to fund your business before you can deliver the product is both a bad idea and in a lot of jurisdictions illegal.
I've been called a 'pretend entrepreneur' for pointing that out; I've been called an 'armchair engineer' for pointing out that when it comes to whether a product will work or not, you don't assume, you test.

Honestly I blame it on the way society is moving these days. More and more, I look at the world around me and I see a complete lack of willingness to take personal responsibility for one's actions. Along with that, I see people defending others who could have avoided issues if they had just done shit right, but wanted to take shortcuts or got greedy and it all went bad.
People forcing the consequences or results of their choices onto other people, because 'what am I supposed to do? I'm in this situation, I have no choice! It's not my fault!' yeah, well... who put you in that situation? Oh, that's right, you did.
As long as we continue the trend of enabling others' bad behavior by defending it, whether it be with bitcoin, with preorders, or anything else in life... we will continue to see people behaving badly and that bad behavior escalating.

As far as this goes, however... nothing is certain at this point. Yifu is making the returns form, but I haven't seen anything specifically stating that he's cancelling and refunding orders.
Maybe he's just offering refunds to those who want them. Maybe TH will keep their orders and hope to get the chips.
Maybe those chips will arrive, maybe they won't. If they do, maybe they'll arrive quickly, or maybe they'll take a year or longer. At this point, I don't know, and I'm not entirely sure it even matters.