Quote from: majika on February 15, 2018, 01:25:40 PM

Quote from: doktor83 on October 18, 2017, 05:19:33 PM

oh he did his work, embedded an obfuscated dll in gzip converted to a byte array, which then uses ReadProcessMemory and WriteProcessMemory from kernel32.dll.
I think it's pretty nice, wonder does claymore detect it some way.

The main point here everyone is missing (imho). Forget the fee thing for a moment.. Crypto WAS a bunch of "cypherpunk" hacking away on shit, to make strong, Privacy-centric technologies as a means for social change hacking things to work the way they REQUIRED them to work, their purpose was primarily more specific than just the average run of the mill hackers/script-kiddies from nowadays.

The essence of Crypto from my experience is; in a nutshell:
beating a system, whatever that system maybe. Being able to participate in a system which has for decades battered the common folk,
a system which is oppressive and served the select few at the top, coupled with innovation in trustless, distributed peer-to-peer systems in order to
communicate in a secure manner 'and/or' relay & process financial assets transactions. And not forgetting, of course, a whole raft of other aspects & considerations..
but in a nutshell.. revolutionize a financial system which works for the many not just for the few.

This very issue was raised over in a popular discord channel only the other week RE: claymore's fee's AND as you could imagine the suggestion caused a bit of a shit storm; mostly against the idea of circumventing DevFee however it did spark debate (which was the important part).

IMHO The whole devfee thing is stupid shit! However dumb it maybe, it is on most people's (who mine Crypto specifically ETH\ETC\SC\DCR\PASL\LBRY) minds..
And most of all how to defeat\bypass said fee's.

Ultimately, this question boils-down to the main thrust of the issue, for miners & the crypto space in general is BEING the most PROFITABLE. Also two fold to be able to contribute to a 'cause!'
Miners appreciate the fact participating in mining crypto is / can be expensive, therefore any advantage gained (perceived or not) the majority will go for it.

its human nature to take path of least resistance.

Going back to my initial point regarding the WHOLE fee thing. I think it boils down to the structure AND the means by which Claymore has gone about generating HIS fees. Which is from a CAPTIVE audience. A caveat provided by claymore in his miners is that you CAN -devfee 0 and take a mining performance hit.

Yes, I do agree developers need to make a wage to survive.. I stress a wage.. NOT a fucking monopoly which reapes in hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not, millions of bucks FOR Claymores (reoccurring).

There are other issues which people fail to mention is 1-2% of something seems small but extrapolate that over a long period & multiply & compound that with thousands of miners which makes for a HUGE profit and possibility OTHER negative outcomes could occur from one person being able to charge miners who wish to participate.

There are Fees everywhere now, a Pool fee, a Fee to mine with a tool, A fee to send from Pool > Wallet ANOTHER FEE to sell into another coin ANOTHER fee to then pull back out. FEES GALORE

What about the security implications of having such a widely used miner which is closed source and yet another flaw is discovered (RE: remote port vulnerability in Claymore v10.5 + below)

A single person(dev) should not have this much influance OR control IMHO. it's not healthy. So, I say fuck it if he profits from others work merged which his own work then why not allow others to profit off claymores back. If that means I get to keep some of my hard earned mining hash and some other guy gets to profit a little less from myself as a user of the tool in the process to.. I mean shit, Claymore has made some tidy bank now (and will continue to make).

Is it right to bypass claymore's fee and reroute to Eth_Savers wallet instead? (https://github.com/d3z00r/Claymore-11.0-No-DevFee-DevFee-Removed)
It's in the crypto DNA to hack shit, even the hackers get hacked ..
IMO, I say fair game, let it roll!.

wow... pretty verbose spouting of BS for a 20-post newb lol. So, since you are ok with this and other hackjob losers stealing rightfully earned fees from devs that have directly enabled miners to make thousands or millions without ANY upfront commitment... I suppose you would also be ok if another group of loser somehow hacked your paycheck and stole 10-15% of your earnings every month, right? Because after all, while your pay as a bus-boy at Red Robin might not seem like a lot to some, it is comparatively a TON more than those unemployed scum of the earth hackers are making, so it is justifiable for them to steal from you since you are making more than them.

So, what do you say? Is your paltry pay-check also fair game? Let it roll baby!