Quote from: kaltun on February 16, 2018, 11:13:38 AM

Quote from: r1973 on February 16, 2018, 11:07:02 AM

Quote from: kaltun on February 16, 2018, 09:41:48 AM

Quote from: r1973 on February 15, 2018, 03:28:34 PM

Quote from: ScryptAsic on February 15, 2018, 02:44:58 PM

Astrum is not our coin, beware of it. Their dev can run away with money

Astrum is not related to TOK and GNR at all

you may be right (nobody really knows) - but the Astrum website is much better-looking, when launching their project... Have you checked the tok's horrible-site design on the ICO launch?

No whitepaper too, for example, on these two projects - both tok and astrum. Both have no real plans for real development.

There are much other problems with TOK and GNR's dev (dev BLOCKS ppl on telegram-channel who voice themselves on these matters, in the TOK telegram-group)...

IMO, tok and astrum are two shaddy 100%-excatly-the same projects (same code) - with no real usage except for selling more and more MN (=for high profits for the the anonymous dev-teams), and pure speculation after getting listed on cryptopia. Their only difference,imo, is that twin-TOK is listed, while his twin-ASTRUM is not yet listed... but who care... please - take my(/our) money (and run)... the two dev teams are marketing promises: TOK-to-the-moon. ASTRUM-to-the moon. When choosing from these two projects: the "real" and the copied-code-one, I do hope ASTRUM will make it better.

so , if i build an nice website will you buy coins from me Huh

Astrum is an 1:1 copy of TOKUGAWA

so you invested in astrum and hopes make it better than tok

.... while TOK has proven himself .......

i agree TOK had also shady start ..... it was 50 cents what total for an MN was 1250 dollars.... but this is 3000 dollars ....

i hope you will gain with this ...

for me ... i pass ...

I was following TOKUGAWA from day-1. Bought tok mn back in Nov. for 1250$ .. yes ... I've mined thousands of TOK by now - sold most of them on crytopia. I am a Bitcoin-HODLER, not TOK-HODLER. These sold TOK coins of mine also paid for other crypto-projects/investments, including a "free" 3000$/XXX-BTC ASTRUM mn, which I run too. I didn't get rich from this TOKUGAWA project (I didn't sell toks at 20$-per-coin-moon), yet still I am in USD and BTC nice profits. I still run a TOK mn for the minimum PoS 2500 coins needed (and stopped being a TOK-HODLER recently) because I have lost faith in the TOK dev team - so I keep my TOK coins at the minimum needed.

I had learnt an important lesson recently, which I will share with you right now: BITCOIN IS THE ONLY TRUE CRYPTO, imo and, imo, the vast majority of altcoins are shitcoin. Tokugawa (and GNR btw), imo, is one of these shitcoins.. Also, imo, ASTRUM, can improve their elder-twin-same-code-TOKUGAWA-mistakes... ASTRUM can do much better on the long-run for their investors and community.

TOK only advantage on ASTRUM right now is that is listed and traded, and ASTRUM is not yet - and that is a big risk.

you bought "free" astrum and i bought "free" gainercoin

but what did they do or why do you not trust the dev team anymore ?? what happened ??

Yes, I bought "free" astrum and you bought "free" gainercoin - but TOK dev bought/can-buy an appartment house or a private yacht possibly for "free".

you asked what happened? From an investor point of view, mine at least, I saw too many red-flags pointing to the fact the the dev lacks TOKUGAWA exclusive inner-devosion, which investors would expect from any dev team - exclusivity for TOKUGAWA and nothing but Tokugawa. The dev (and his team) lacked exclusivity for this (their launched) alt, thus turning it to a shitcoin - spamming the crypto-eco-system with traps.

The shitcoinness of TOK is very visiable - even on CMC (# of tok coins locks - ??, unknows, for example) ... and if a dev works (=giving his name and reputation) on a shitcoin, how can you trust his other projects like GNR?

One would expect that a GNR-dev-team would be totally exclusivity devoted to GNR success - but this is not the case... TOK and GNR are shaddy projects with the same dev team - with no real usage for both coins, except a plan to sell as many MN as possible with pre-mining... and speculation... No real whitepaper, no development plans, no exclusivity for TOK-GNR from the British-Japanese dev... Not knowing your dev is bad for ppl. We are not in 2009, and he is not Satoshi Nakamoto.