Quote from: nullspot on September 04, 2013, 01:17:43 AM

Quote from: arorts on September 04, 2013, 12:26:59 AM

Quote from: DrJoeGrine on September 04, 2013, 12:16:59 AM

I hope Oct orders ship early and not at the end of the month. Order #45x here. Keep up the good work Dave. You should do consulting for BFL on how to run a proper business. You are a diamond in the rough.

This has been addressed a few times, it's still planned to be by the end of October on purpose, not by the beginning. Keep in mind that for example August full rigs commanded a $11,000+ premium over October ones so I think Bitfury will deploy as it was planned without damaging its highest paying customer base. This is exactly the same fair policy that other companies, such as KNC and Hashfast follow on purpose. Otherwise, if Bitfury manages to ship October orders by end of September, will Bitfury refund a portion of the premium to August customers? No, right? If anyone wants to receive product earlier, they need to pay the premium that corresponds to that time difference. Pretty simple. :p

Disagree. Dave and all vendors are (and rightfully should be) completely free to overdeliver on what they promise. Such achievements are very good P.R., as they further differentiate between themselves and other companies which underdeliver (if at all). They demonstrate their ability to innovate and improve, and increases confidence.

You are proposing, however to extract punishment from (or compensate) one group or another based on later success. That's just ass-backwards. Penalizing success? exceeding goals? What exactly are you trying to motivate here?

Case in point - initial tests showed H-boards not hashing at their advertised 25GH speed. So additional H-boards were included for free to the initial customers -- and likely only them, as later batches should have tweaks made to achieve the advertise rate per board. This meant people who ordered a 25GH starter kit are now sitting on 40GH of hashpower.

Now, according to your logic, this is an unfair bonus given to one group (early orders) that later orders do not receive. Should Dave now "compensate" later orders that won't receive such extra hashpower with $$ to offset the difference? Didn't those later orders make their choices based upon calculations which weighed the cost of 25GH in august vs. 25GH in october? Have they not been wronged?? Hogwash.

Shipping october orders any earlier than the 31st would NOT cause to "harm" to earlier orders. They got what they paid for, and they worked with what knowledge was available at the time of order, like everyone else. You could even make a case that shipping Oct earlier would actually be more than fair because of the steep increase in difficulty rendering earlier ROI predictions to be way off, so the earlier delivery would be a move to compensate (as other companies have attempted various schemes to preserve estimated ROI).

Dave - ignore this guy and send everything out as soon as humanly possible.

False. False. False. The price and time difference is already there advertised in Bitfury store so simply asking to be executed. Sorry if you took it as a "punishment" but when you pick the 3-blade razor at the store rather than the 4-blade razor, do you feel punished? No, right? It's just a different product based on what you can afford and expecting different outcomes. The difference here is that times plays a factor as well. I'm not even talking about the difference in hash rates and it's up to Bitfury to that figure out if they want. That is irrelevant to the basic discussion. You are right: we worked on the knowledge that it's a 2-month difference at the time of investment, so yes, it's a 2-month protection gap.
The argument about compensating due to increases in difficulty: difficulty changes applies to all customers equally and in any case, it was never advertised or referred in any way in the description of the products advertised. Neither did Bitfury make any commitments about difficulty at all. I'm simply focusing on the advertised terms not in imaginary or unrelated aspects. That's it.
Bitfury is not going to ignore my arguments or of any August customers just because of your wishful thinking because guess what? it's still displayed in their store right now!