Quote from: arorts on September 04, 2013, 02:27:56 AM

Quote from: nullspot on September 04, 2013, 02:01:39 AM

Quote from: arorts on September 04, 2013, 01:42:44 AM

False. False. False. The price and time difference is already there advertised in Bitfury store so simply asking to be executed. Sorry if you took it as a "punishment" but when you pick the 3-blade razor at the store rather than the 4-blade razor, do you feel punished? No, right? It's just a different product based on what you can afford and expecting different outcomes. The difference here is that times plays a factor as well. I'm not even talking about the difference in hash rates and it's up to Bitfury to that figure out if they want. That is irrelevant to the basic discussion. You are right: we worked on the knowledge that it's a 2-month difference at the time of investment, so yes, it's a 2-month protection gap.
The argument about compensating due to increases in difficulty: difficulty changes applies to all customers equally and in any case, it was never advertised or referred in any way in the description of the products advertised. Neither did Bitfury make any commitments about difficulty at all. I'm simply focusing on the advertised terms not in imaginary or unrelated aspects. That's it.
Bitfury is not going to ignore my arguments or of any August customers just because of your wishful thinking because guess what? it's still displayed in their store right now!

So you chose to respond to nothing other than a hypothetical suggestion about difficulty increase (**not given as a demand, but a conceptual reason, relevant given other companies "ROI protection" schemes**), ignoring the clear analogy to the extra h-boards. Nice. Forget the overriding themes of squelching success and entitlement mentality, as if early orders have any claim on later ones, or on what a business decides to do to improve things for customers who arrived after you.

Continuing with such bitter logic, Apple should compensate you if the next revision of the iPhone is released any earlier than exactly 365 days from the old one, because you bought yours expecting a full year head start, getting the maximum use for your $$, compared to the lucky saps who get additional features in their next-gen phone. You factored that year of use into your purchasing decision, and now, horror of horrors, Apple releases the new iPhone 30 days early. Clearly you have been robbed in such a scenario.

The essence of your position is that you lose if someone else benefits, whether or not what you have is altered in any way. That kind of attitude often resorts to protectionism when faced with progress and innovation in the marketplace.

I said they never indicated any terms regarding h-boards differences in hashrate. I was pretty clear about that.
If you manage to get compensated by Apple in such scenario, good for you! And if you didn't perhaps either you were unable to negotiate or you simply failed to read their T&C because I can bet you that's already covered! Apple is not that dumb to leave out from their contract agreements something as common as that. Go and read it yourself and let me know if you manage to get something out of it. Apple will give you something (if you prove it). . In this case, we are talking about how 2 products are relatively priced to each other. Your Apple scenario is irrelevant.

Wake up, dude. Do you think that in this industry prices of products with same specs delivered later are cheaper just because Dave is in good mood?? It's purely an economics decision whether you feel offended or not. Make no mistake son. This IS a zero-sum game where people's actions affect others' because in this case, yes, they do. This is pure capitalism no matter how Buddhist or friendly you are so you need to stop taking things personal.

I'm dying to know what innovation getting products earlier would bring so as to offset their price. Has nothing to do with protectionism. Don't overcomplicate it: just basic Price+Terms. That's it.

I never said you mentioned terms about H-boards - that was *my* analogy, the significance of which has somehow escaped you (as you have not addressed the comparison). What you proposed (compensating August orders for earlier October deliveries) is not capitalism. And the terms do not state: no one who orders later batches are allowed to get theirs earlier. The terms for august orders are august delivery. End of terms. If october is a month late, has no bearing on august orders. Thus neither does any amount early. You keep trying to make it a question of "honoring terms". But your terms end when you take delivery of your product.

You are not making an economics argument, and I am not proposing any buddhist feel-good stuff. I'm saying if October shows up early, you have no claim (which you keep ignoring, instead playing semantics and making broad statements). That's capitalism. Someone gets a better deal than you, tough beans. Thus my example of the H-boards, which obviously are a "bonus" to the August orders, and no one else is complaining the terms have been violated because someone else got extra. You're selectively adding certain things (time gap) to your perception of the terms.