Quote from: flound1129 on September 05, 2013, 03:50:03 AM

And you do get paid, all you have to do is keep mining on the pool and be here when a block is found.

Ok, but we don't decide to stop mining it, the mulipool switched us to another coin...

Quote from: flound1129 on September 05, 2013, 03:50:03 AM

Why should multiport miners get paid if the LTC pool finds a block on its own, 3 hours after MP moves off? Do you think that's fair?

Yes, miners should be compensated for the work they put in.

Quote from: flound1129 on September 05, 2013, 03:50:03 AM

What if the people mining LTC have been doing it for 3 days with no blocks found? Should their reward be halved just because the multipool switched to LTC for 1/2 hour? That could easily happen with a proportional system.

It's not fair for the dedicated LTC miners either. All the shares they submitted over the 3 days they mined won't get paid out. If a block is found 1/2 hour after the mulipool switches to LTC then they will get a very small portion of the winnings as most of it will have gone to the mulipool users. And if the mulipool hadn't switched to LTC, they may have gone another 3 days before finding a block.

Quote from: flound1129 on September 05, 2013, 06:04:10 AM

Payout algorithms should distribute block rewards fairly and there is more than one way to do that. Proportional has been showed to be a deeply flawed system, which is why almost no pools use it (and the ones that do are gamed by pool hoppers).

"deeply flawed system" - I find it funny when people say this, just because someone wrote a long study on how someone could potentially play the system. I'm sorry but I just don't think that this is true in reality. Do you think there are thousands of people sitting in front of a computer 24 hours a day, jumping from pool to pool to try to maximize their winnings. Maybe there are, I just don't think it's as big a problem as people make it out to be.

Besides, your mulipool does exactly this, it hops from one coin to another so it is not a "normal" pool. PPLNS works well on a pool where everyone is mining the same coin and coins are found in a more reasonable amount of time. If a round time is one hour and you have a reasonable chance of finding a block within one hour it makes sense. When a round time is one hour but the chances are very good that a coin won't be found for days (ie over 24 rounds) I personally wouldn't mine on such a pool. I think this is why there are so few dedicated miners on LTC. If there was a large number of dedicated miners this wouldn't be a problem.

Quote from: flound1129 on September 05, 2013, 06:04:10 AM

1. I believe that other than PPS, it is the most fair to all parties (dedicated coin miners and multipool miners)
2. It would require a fair amount of coding to change, and I have other priorities
3. Any payout method that requires me to potentially keep millions of shares in the db for 10+ coins (i.e. proportional) is going to result in the need for a larger DB system and increase fees for all users.

1. I'm ok with PPS although I think this would be way too risky for your pool
2. I'm not a programmer so I can't help you there, although I would think that taking the winnings and dividing it up among all the submitted shares should be fairly simple.
3. Only the slow coins would generate a lot of shares

Quote from: GSnak on September 05, 2013, 05:22:04 AM

If the steady miners pay for gas for 80% of a truck haul, and port 7777 for 20%, even if 7777 isn't driving when they reach their destination they should still get paid for their 20%. Mining is gambling, if people pool their money to buy a lottery ticket they all get paid even though only the winning ticket gets the money.

well said