Quote from: 4v4l0n42 on July 01, 2011, 10:20:00 AM

Quote from: markm on July 01, 2011, 10:15:33 AM

How did you get from "The free market won't provide that. The people within the free market have to do it. If they chose suicide and self destruction, there's nothing free market can do. Free market can't impede suicide." to "you have a blind faith, or a blind wish, that the free market will, somehow, avoid that." ?

OK, let me rephrase then.

1. How does the free market avoid the destruction of the inhabitable planet from which we depend on to survive?
2. How does the free market ensure that no people will starve unnecessarily?

Quite eager to hear.

As far as I can tell from the wording, it seems to me that free market does not [...], people do (or, possibly, do not).

("Free markets don't kill people, people do"?)

What consititutes necessity in a free market? Possibly such markets might include propaganda profitably explaining how necessary it is that people starve. Who was it who had that .sig about wolves maximising the value of sheep by re-arranging them into marketable food, in effect? Is a market which attempts to prevent evolutionary assets such as aggressiveness, teeth, claws, willingness to prey and kill, from being permissable / marketable / useable products or services truly free?

The material in this part of the thread doesn't really seem to address 2 directly but certainly does not seem to indicate free markets solve the problem.

Could it be that you might have grasped the text clearer had it said the people instead of the people in the free market? As maybe mentioning where the people happened to be (in a free market) distracted you from the idea it is the people who must do it if it is to be done, toward some idea that only if the people were in a free market they could or would do so? (I would take it more as implying that if there not people in the market there probably would not be much that could or would happen to prevent the undesired results...)

-MarkM-