Quote from: ThickAsThieves on September 08, 2013, 11:02:15 PM

Quote from: FloatesMcgoates on September 08, 2013, 10:20:03 PM

Question for TAT: How do we know how many shares of the pre-ipo XBOND transfers are still available?

Once the Pre-IPVO phase begins, I will try to provide updates during the 72-hour period. Hopefully a couple times per day. If they sell out, before the deadline, I will also update with the news.

To everyone else, please note that it is sleepy time in Cyprus for several more hours, but surely Danny will have answers for you once he is available again.

New to this party but if ~~I use the shares I hold in Xbond on havelock my btct account will be pushed shares or are the shares directly purchased and converted?~~ Found a sufficient answer on btct under rules and instructions
But for clarification since the asset originates on bitfunder for the IPO will the one bitcoin transfer fee be included or waived

Transfer of Shares

Shares of the underlying asset on BitFunder may be imported or exported into any TAT.NEOBEE passthrough, or the underlying asset on Bitfunder. There is no minimum quantity for transfers, but any transfer order must pay a 1.0 bitcoin service fee.

FV = 0.001 Current Price 0.0011389 Havelock
Xbond Price 0.0025
IPO Price 0.003
Correct

Slowly catching up through the thread as well

Quote from: ThickAsThieves on September 07, 2013, 09:03:49 PM

Quote from: StarenseN on September 07, 2013, 08:55:29 PM

Quote from: pankkake on September 07, 2013, 08:14:58 PM

And given that 0.0025*1.2 = 0.003 it makes sense to buy XBOND at up to 0.0012 per share.

It's funny the manner in which you see us:

Quote from: pankkake on August 20, 2013, 12:30:31 AM

Someone bought into my sell offer of 19% over face value (i.e : 0.00119).
I put it up only in case some was really stupid enough, you never know.
Come on. It's a YEAR of XBOND dividends, and you have to hope they aren't recalled.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=265287.msg2967964#msg2967964

Of course it's fishy because I'll have to put my money in a risky asset (first) which will be overvaluated (>0.01) then exchange it at loss at facial value (0.01) to have shares.

Bitcoin is designed to be a genius medium/way to improve access to the finance/stock market. And I can see that it's not used in a good way by putting some fishy tricky extra efforts.

The inaccurate assumption you are making is that you must to do any of those things. XBOND holders did assume risks, and they do receive daily interest for holding that risk. They also receive rights to Pre-IPVO offerings as part of this indenture. As an investment company we work to put our capital to work and provide opportunities to the marketplace. At no point is anyone forced to participate.

The danger pankkake speaks of is in light of the fact that these bonds are able to be recalled at 105% of face value, making it an even higher risk to pay more, should we ever choose to, or be required to call them back before that buyer has realized an effective profit.

I can tell you there will be no callbacks between now and the IPVO of the NEOBEE securities.

Thanks for the clarification the arbitrage is safe then puts a few calculated risks at ease.
Another asset to evaluate hope it translates into real bitcoin growth in the long run

Quote from: ThickAsThieves on September 08, 2013, 01:09:44 PM

Being that most bitcoin IP(V)Os are things like fundraising, crowdfunding, profit-shares, informal entities, and partially unregulated, a unique term must be adopted to differentiate so as not to confuse those familiar with traditional IPOs.

V IPO
Virtual Initial Public Securities offering if were inventing new terms it would be VIPs as the only significant differentation between a release of shares on a standard market and bitcoin is the virtual aspect the rest can be considered noise.

After the IPO I guess it would be a Virtual Public Security etc.

Quote from: cryptocyprus on September 08, 2013, 10:30:05 AM

Will you have a recognizable presence/sponsership at the Amsterdam Conference?

I am speaking at the conference.

If you can provide a video after the conference for future reference it would be appreciated

And up to date best of luck