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Another Snowden leak today. This one regards NSA's ability to hack into almost all, if not all, smartphones. Like the last leak, this one suggests the NSA's decryption power is much greater than we realize.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/privacy-scandal-nsa-can-spy-on-smart-phone-data-a-920971.html

http://www.theverge.com/2013/9/7/4706018/nsa-reportedly-can-access-secure-blackberry-email-tap-other

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/09/08/links-08-sept-the-weekends-nsa-revelations/

That's not any different than what Bruce Schneier has been telling us for decades now.

Not news to those who have been paying attention.

I was obviously using "we" to refer to general public, YOU PRETENTIOUS COMMIE!!

http://www.mail-archive.com/cryptography@metzdowd.com/msg12325.html

What is your point? To any reasonable person, this was all speculative tin-foil hat stuff until Snowden.

You have a fetish for polluting my posts.

my posts too. Seems being an oracle gives the ability to discern between the thousand of "rat in coke can" schemes around the world and "knowing" like your own hand what is really happening/true/fact and what are just rumours/whispers.

What can I say?

I am a centre of pestilence.

Not true, you have absolutely useful opinions and threads that simply one need to read. Just a lower a bit the "I knew it" button when the others also talk and you will be become the greatest oracle ;-)

Cheers,

Well then, If I may knock myself down from the pinnacle of oricality, I'll keep my tinfoil hat on a bit longer...

Snowden is a tool. In my considered opinion the Snowden revelations are part of an operation to bludgeon the corporate world, along with the general public into investing resources into actual, effective IT security. The NSA has a stake in protecting their charge against rival gangs. And, although I think it is a mistake to equivocate on security to this end they are attempting to calibrate their advantage.

It might very well be the truth. Just some Sun Tzu "confuse your enemy" thinking. It would give everybody the idea that they need to increase their defenses. But thinking on the possibility that what they know it is not true and its just a bluff maybe they want to do the opposite, that is discourage everyone from even trying to avoid NSA, and stop being diligent on your own security. Most people don't know too much about computer security and even if they do, the revelations show a huge enemy to beat, so they will just surrender and say, "be it", if you use computers, then there is no privacy why i am going to follow those huge security procedures if they are already in, by hardware, at network level (IP v6), by OS, by force, by keylogger, by the very own software you use. Why lose so much time? Many people will think that and abandon themselves to the "maybe truth" that they have just won.

Also there seems to exist indeed an interest in the USA agencies to reduce the people privacy and that is one of the reasons why CIA investing companies invested in google and in facebooks (the second being a declared paradigm of antiprivacy). What was their reaction to Zimmerman PGP, their export limitations for encryption over 128 bits and many more?. They indeed want to know everything like the "Awareness" agency name suggests.

One thing is true, and this is that the computer and internet industry has received a huge kick in their balls. American companies relying on "the cloud" aswell as those relying on "security" (and probably technology manufacturers whose products won't be seen as innocent as have been seen up to now) are being seen now like pure fraud all over the world and they are loosing billions and billions on contracts. Again, some might say "I alrady knew it". I would say, you "suspected something" in the lines of the thousand of rumours around the world everywhere. But with this revelations (if true) show that they are indeed doing it.

So, did they encourage Snowden to go into the air with those documents, hurting hugely their own computer/internet industry trying to follow the path to get everybody into a higher security? Could be.
Maybe, knowing that they already controlled those companies they could have just issued some laws to encourage much more secure policies in facebook, google, etc and those would have been just followed by the users all over the world (like when lately most companies have started relying in 2-step authentication) without destroying or putting in severe risk their whole own IT industry. I think Google, Apple, Yahoo, etc are indeed not happy. They have moved from the colourful letter kindergarten logo (google) to a Stasi machine. Many have abandoned those companies for good.

I think what German officers are trying to do regarding IT security after snowden revelations, might be a good step to follow. Encourage everyone using policies all over the European Union at least not only to increase their software/internet security but do it from the very scratch, designing everything with the highest privacy levels in mind (e.g client based encryption). India is moving apart from US technology, not only they requested to have their own google servers located in their own soil so US law does not apply. They are also asking people to stop using gmail for state storage (Google Apps won't like that). New Zealand and Germany have stopped following software patents aswell (that will help).

So maybe they have managed to get higher security levels but not only in the western world, but all over the world (even China/Russia etc) and also really hitting hard their own IT industry.

I think it would be a mistake to presume that U.S. interests are so well defined by national boundaries. The business interests of U.S. chartered entities are all very well intertwined with those of other players. I would liken these kinds of operations to the 'direct action' of anti-establishment protesters. To force a dialectic outside the usual bounds of explicit process. These technocrats have a vision for what security should look like, and will steer their considerable resources to that end. You knowbreaking eggs and all that.

Ok, a bit OT now, but hold on a sec...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you arguing that, basically, NSA set up the whole Snowden thing so that corporates would freak out and tighten their security. Because NSA protects the interests of corporates?

I'm sorry, this seems a little bit tinfoilish to me.

If that was the agenda, would it not be easier to just set up some fake attacks? Let some of their smart kids loose to unleash hell on a few selected targets. Everyone would love it. There'd be joy and hilarity at NSA! And it's cheaper and less damaging to their own interests. Attacks with malicious intent are what corporates are scared of. Not the NSA. As you argue yourself, the NSA is on their side, basically. And as a lot of people have said there's that dynamic of, ok so now we know they have just about universal reach, so why do anything?

Fuck, or even just break in, and tell people, hey we broke in. This is how we did it. This is what you need to do. Set up some sort of advisory service that works with people to tighten their shit up. Whatever. Doesn't seem hard to do.

There is no way they wanted people to know about prism etc. No way. They're spooks. Spooks keep shit secret. That's an important thing. Why would they let the cat out of the bag for a such a spurious project? Even if they do have bigger stuff that we don't know anything about, which they most likely do, it's still a chump move to let everyone know about stuff as big as this. Once everyone starts tightening their shit up, it hurts their ability to do what they like doing and is their number one reason to exist, which is spying on people. The loss is bigger than the gain.

Sorry, I just don't buy it. Trying to find a shitty conspiracy behind an actual major shit's going down sort of conspiracy just seems a touch excessive.