Quote from: Quickseller on February 28, 2018, 02:33:18 PM

I would not trust aTriz. I dont think it is so much about the review as it is about the vouching for the gambling script when it has been shown that he very much knew what he was doing.

I don't know what you are trying to get across.

Quote from: tmfp on February 28, 2018, 03:29:47 PM

It was an unpleasant surprise to see someone who appeared to be level headed like aTriz, making the errors of judgement he has made in vouching for a gambling script and pre paying a large signature deal with a newbie, based on a 'contract' apparently scribbled on the back of an envelope.

Looking back at it, the review was probably not the best idea, especially with my limited knowledge of scripts and lack of time. Although, I would still say, the signature deal was a good move IMO, if alia was not negged.

From that posts, I received an offer of sorts from nullius, who I first saw posting and then after stalking his posts, came to find alia (this was when both users were popular) and therefore, It seemed like a good move.

Quote from: ibminer on February 28, 2018, 03:40:41 PM

It is disappointing(concerning?) that a 1 month old e-whore account would have gotten a 5 month upfront payment from aTriz on a 3 year contract ~~with a clause stating that red trust doesn't matter~~. Huh

Maybe it is because I'm not active in the campaign management business but this seems highly irrational to me? Undecided

I'm curious to hear more from aTriz on this.

Quote from: ibminer on February 28, 2018, 03:55:45 PM

I guess I can separate the two as a publicly run signature campaign and a privately run signature campaign, but in either case, why would a private advertising deal on this forum include a clause allowing the user to get red trust and still be paid for advertising?

Honestly was a slip up for me. Never thought she would get red trust and didn't bother to add that into the contract. Probably since I was dealing with mostly trusted people who would never get negged, and just forgot to apply that to her.

Quote from: ibminer on February 28, 2018, 03:55:45 PM

Thanks, I did not realize the private deal was publicly posted Roll Eyes

I'm not quite sure what aTriz meant with his post then?

I mean't is there any way I can escape? Or am stuck to lose 1.1 BTC?

Quote from: Quickseller on February 28, 2018, 04:03:20 PM

The question of negative trust is not addressed in the contact that aTriz agreed to and confirmed. The terms were 30-100 posts/month with alia wearing the signature of aTrizs choice in exchange for ~$400* per month.

300* Love the slight manipluation of words

Quote from: marlboroza on February 28, 2018, 04:38:24 PM

For the whole term, a signature of his choice will be in my signature space

He should send (s)cam girl legendary signature, she won't be able to wear it, and I don't see "junior member signature" is mentioned anywhere in contract Cheesy

Does this mean contract is broken. You should be a lawyer if so!

Quote from: marlboroza on February 28, 2018, 04:38:24 PM

@OP i am not sure, but maybe aTriz was thinking with his dick Undecided

Nope. I am a totally different person business from person. Just ask any of the people I've done trades with.*

Quote from: scam_detector on February 28, 2018, 04:53:52 PM

Quote from: marlboroza on February 28, 2018, 04:38:24 PM

This rule is interesting:
For the whole term, a signature of his choice will be in my signature space

He should send (s)cam girl legendary signature, she won't be able to wear it, and I don't see "junior member signature" is mentioned anywhere in contract Cheesy

Or my suggestion. He forces her to wear this signature:

Quote from: Signature

Attention. I am a scammer. Please do not trade with me.

I can do this if needed.

Quote from: marlboroza on February 28, 2018, 05:27:39 PM

Quote from: TMAN on February 28, 2018, 04:57:15 PM

As for the gambling vouch, didn't he just say that it worked?

Did he check script for backdoors?

How do script have backdoors? Isn't this just for websites?

Quote from: OgNasty on February 28, 2018, 06:29:41 PM

I'd be concerned why aTriz rushed to team up with a fraudster like alia that tried to pull the wool over theymos' eyes as well as a documented extortionist like Lauda who has been fired for his behavior, and seemingly has been taking out small loans to establish trust ratings. Not actions you'd expect to see from an aspiring signature manager.

Are we going to revivie the eXtORtiNiST thread now?

"Small loans for trust"

Open Loan with aTriz (0.5 BTC loaned)
Need 0.35 BTC Loan, payback 14 days max (0.35 BTC loaned)
Need Loan of 0.4 for trading. Payback 1.5 months MAX (0.4 BTC loaned)
Need Loan of 0.25 for trading. Payback 3 weeks MAX (3 day re-payment possible) (0.25 BTC loaned)

All of these loans where done with no collateral and resolved. They aren't small either. Most of these range from 5,000 - 10,000 USD.

If you did a quick search in the lending subforum, you would do this. But once again you rush to conclusions.

Quote from: scam_detector on February 28, 2018, 05:28:43 PM

I am very sorry aTriz. I acted too fast and thoughtless.

No need to apologize. You raised a great thread for discussion - now it's for me to clear my name.

Quote from: Quickseller on February 28, 2018, 05:49:04 PM

The three year contract that aTriz entered into gave both parties who are very new to the signature campaign market an undeserved appearance of trustworthiness. If aTriz is entering into three year signature campaign contracts then surely he is sufficiently experienced to manage my campaign (yet of course this ignores the fact that aTriz has virtually no experience in this field, a couple of months worth maybe).

Yes?

Quote from: Quickseller on February 28, 2018, 05:49:04 PM

In regards to the gambling script, it is clear that aTriz knows there is no way to beat the house in a provably fair casino with a house edge based on his posting history, someone quoted several of his old posts that demonstrate this. He was vouching for something he very well knew was being misrepresented.

No. Those posts are relating to roulette, dice, sport/esport betting, which I have done before, but that doesn't make me a someone knowledgable of scripts.

Quote from: LoyceV on February 28, 2018, 06:44:11 PM

The contract states 30 to 100 posts per month. Alia has already posted more than 100.

Oh...

Quote from: OgNasty on February 28, 2018, 07:34:55 PM

Quote from: MadZ on February 28, 2018, 07:22:32 PM

Quote from: Lauda on February 28, 2018, 04:05:01 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on February 28, 2018, 04:03:20 PM

Looking at the terms of the contract, I dont see any reason why aTriz should be able to back out of paying alia.

Other than the amount that was paid upfront, I think the same. Although the input from others is welcome.

The contract also states that all payments will be refunded to aTriz should she fail to reach Legendary member status by the third year. Assuming people wake up and stop handing her free merit (21% of her merit comes from just one user, nullius), I doubt she will be able to meet this requirement.

So nearly 40% of his/her merit comes from TMAN and nullius? Seems legit. Roll Eyes

Wow 25% of your merit was earnt in 5 mins and from one guy! Seems legit Roll Eyes