Quote from: Quickseller on March 03, 2018, 05:19:24 AM

Quote from: nullius on March 03, 2018, 03:46:54 AM

However, I seriously doubt that Alias script be wholly non-existent. Perforce, something must have been on-hand to provide to paying ~~marks~~ customers. It simply would not do, if the script-selling ~~scam~~ business had to close down early due to paying customers complaining of having received nothing at all.

The script was being sold for ~$10,000, which is a lot of money if you are a 19 year old girl, a 15 year old boy, or both ($5k for each of them). She would only need to sell one copy in order to have profited very handsomely. When you have a vouch from a fairly reputable person, it wouldn't even make sense to ask to use escrow because if you pay for the script and alia doesn't send it to you, you can simply ask the person who vouched for the script for a copy. Once alia receives payment for one copy of her script, she can simply abandon her account, and move onto another medium to scam another way (or otherwise leave).

Quote from: nullius on March 03, 2018, 03:46:54 AM

As for the question of aTriz disclosing his copy of the putative script, I think that raises a far stickier issue than that of the signature ad contract. I am not familiar with the situation, other than whats been discussed in public threads; but given Alias secretiveness about that script, I presume that it must have been provided to him under some sort of confidentiality terms.

For an analogy, consider PMs which Alia sent to me. I have publicly disclosed a few of those; but I only did so when reasonably required for an investigative or otherwise evidentiary purpose, and I minimized the disclosures as much as practicable. Even after what has happened to date, I would not dump out all the PMs in public. That has nothing to do with my opinion of Alia, and everything to do with my principles about PMs.

A couple of things:
1 - PM stands for 'Personal message' and notice the word 'private' is not within the name
2 - If you want to maintain confidentiality, GPG (or another encryption means should be used), this is primarily how I judge if I will be willing to disclose information received via PM
3 - If GPG is not used, there is the potential for anyone with access to the forum DB to trivially read your PMs, even after they are deleted because the entire DB is backed up every day.

To your point, it is possible alia sent the script (if she in fact sent a script) encrypted, as she said she recommonds this be done, and/or that aTriz otherwise agreed to confidentiality. However, at this point, the legitimacy of the alleged script has been throughly debunked by multiple people in multiple ways, so it is probably safe to say that no one will be buying the script from her. It is very well possible that alia will agree to forgo any previously agreed upon confidentiality and doing so is certainly within her rights.

I would point out that alia threatened to release information about aTriz (source:

Quote from: alia

I will be forced to reveal certain things that he has done.

However from what I have seen, alia has not released any negative information about aTriz. One could argue that alia was bluffing when she made that statement, however aTriz would be very much aware that alia didn't have negative information about him and it should have reasonably be known that making that statement would make alia look very bad. To me, it does not make any sense this would be a bluff.

A lot of the concerns about aTriz were more or less being ignored in the thread about aTriz, and most of the conversation was surrounding the signature contract. If alia released the claim that aTriz did not actually receive/use the script he was claiming to vouch for, then this could easily be glossed over.

I don't think alia is exactly putting in a lot of effort into making it appear she is actually running any kind of script, she is explicitly saying she will not put her money where her mouth is and wont use her own money to bet, all of her bets are 'all in' bets that most gamblers will not incorporate into their betting strategy (for reasons such as superstition, but also more legitimate reasons, such as to save on tx fees -- also gambling is supposed to be fun, and betting all your money at once reduces the amount of time players can be having fun), and her gambling account is making a very small number of bets. All of this ignores the fact that the legitimacy of the script has been debunked, and the legitimacy of any positive results has been debunked.

If you operate under the assumption that alia is not using a script in this thread, then the only reasonable explanation as to what the point of this thread is would be to expose aTriz for giving fake vouches.

As a counterpoint to the above, it is possible that alia is trying to frame aTriz into it looking like he was giving a fake vouch. However I don't think this is the case because when their relationship was scrutinized, the vouch did not appear legitimate even when ignoring all of the above. This is a script that was being sold for $10,000, however the basis for aTriz's vouch was that he made bets totaling well under of penny and had winnings of well under a penny (he said he used faucet money to test the script) -- think about that for a minute and let that sink in. think about just how ridiculous that sounds.

Quote from: nullius on March 03, 2018, 03:46:54 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on March 03, 2018, 03:19:04 AM

Until aTriz can prove otherwise, it appears that aTriz was vouching for a script that didn't even exist

Oh, here we go! I wrote the above prediction, hit Preview, and was informed in red letters that another post had been madethis one. Here, you are clearly setting the stage for some suggestion that aTriz actually disclose the scriptpredictably followed by pressure on him to disclose the script, and accusations that hes protecting a scammer if he doesnt cough it up. Well, you dont wait long building these things up, now do you?

Take a look at my above logic. I would probably go a step further and say that aTriz cannot even produce evidence of bets placed (by him) in the relevant timeframe.

Yeah well, I gave aTriz the script, he ran it, it worked, he vouched. I thereafter deleted the script from the chat. Pretty simple to get, right?